В США составлен рейтинг боевых кораблей: российских в нем нет

[Wi№gman]

Американский телеканал Military Channel продолжает публиковать рейтинги самого эффективного оружия, которое было изобретено человеком в XX веке. Ранее телеканал обнародовал рейтинг лучшего стрелкового оружия, лучших танков последнего столетия, а также рейтинг самолетов-бомбардировщиков.

На этот раз американских и британских военных экспертов попросили оценить боевые корабли. Оценка выносилась по таким критериям, как "скорость", "водоизмещение", "вооружение" и прочим. При этом оговаривается, что каждый корабль сравнивался с другими и оценивался, исходя из технических требований своего времени.

В отличие от предыдущих рейтингов лучшего оружия, среди этой десятки не оказалось ни одной российской модели. Самые лучшие корабли делали в США – в рейтинге из десяти позиций целых шесть моделей - американские.


http://www.doronchenko.ru/2006/11/24/ship.html

[Merlin00Z]

"огласите пжалста весь список..." (с)
а то по ссылке фаер не пущает (говорит - непотребщина там)

[Барс]

Что-то не припомню я никакого Military Channel в Штатах... Такими сравнениями занимается либо Discovery либо History Channel.

[naryv]

Что-то не припомню я никакого Military Channel в Штатах... Такими сравнениями занимается либо Discovery либо History Channel.
Military Channel емнип - подразделение Discovery, которое сейчас в отдельный канал выделилось.

2 Merlin00Z вот список :

1. Класс "Айова", линкор, США

Водоизмещение: 57,450 тонн
Двигатель: четверная паровая турбина мощностью 212 тыс. л/с
Скорость: 33 узла
Запас хода: 15 000 морских миль при 12 узлах
Защита: максимальная толщина брони – 40 см
Основное вооружение: девять шестнадцатидюймовых пушек
Экипаж: 1921 чел.
Время использования: с 1942 года по настоящее время



2. Класс "Нимиц", авианосец, США

Водоизмещение: 97 тыс. тонн
Двигатель: два ядерных реактора мощностью 260 тыс. л/с
Скорость: 30 узлов
Запас хода: неограничен
Защита: отсутствует
Основное вооружение: 85 самолетов
Экипаж: 5680 чел.
Время использования: с 1975 года по настоящее время


3. Класс "Королева Елизавета", линкор, Великобритания

Водоизмещение: 36,450 тонн
Двигатель: четверная паровая турбина мощностью 80 тыс. л/с
Скорость: 23 узла
Запас хода: 4,500 морских мили при 12 узлах
Защита: максимальная толщина брони – 32,5 см
Основное вооружение: восемь пятнадцатидюймовых пушек
Экипаж: 1190 чел.
Время использования: 1913-1945 гг


4.Класс "Тикондерога" - крейсер, США

Водоизмещение: 9,466 тонн
Двигатель: четверная газовая турбина General Electric мощностью 80 тыс л/с
Скорость: 30 узлов
Запас хода: 6 000 морских миль при 20 узлах
Защита: важные конструкции защищены броней Kevlar
Основное вооружение: две пятидюймовые пушки М45, две системы вертикального запуска Mk41
Экипаж: 400 чел.
Время использования: с 1980 года по настоящее время


5. Класс "Флетчер" - эсминец, США

Водоизмещение: стандартное, 2,325 тонн
Двигатель: зубчатые турбины мощностью 60 тыс л/с
Запас хода: 6500 морских миль при 15 узлах
Защита: полдюйма брони, защищающей важные объекты
Основное вооружение: пять пятидюймовых пушек
Экипаж: 329 чел.
Время использования: 1942-1971 гг.



6. Класс "Северная Каролина", линкор, США

Водоизмещение: 44800 тонн
Двигатель: четверные паровые турбины 121 тыс л/с
Скорость: 27 узлов
Запас хода: 17850 миль
Защита: максимальная толщина брони – 40 см
Основное вооружение: девять шестнадцатидюймовых пушек
Экипаж: 1880 чел.
Время использования: 1940-1945 гг.



7. Класс "Бисмарк", линкор, Германия

Водоизмещение: 50,153 тонны
Двигатель: три зубчатые паровые турбины мощностью 150 тыс л/с
Скорость: 30 узлов
Запас хода: 8,525 морских миль при 19 узлах
Защита: максимальная толщина брони – 35 см
Основное вооружение: восемь пятнадцатидюймовых пушек
Экипаж: 2200 чел.
Время использования: 1939-1944 гг.



8. Класс "Эссекс" - авианосец, США

Водоизмещение: 34,880 тонны
Двигатель: четыре паровые турбины мощностью 150 тыс л/с
Скорость: 33 узла
Запас хода: 15 тысяч морских миль при 12 узлах
Защита: максимальная толщина брони – 7,5 см
Основное вооружение: двенадцать пятидюймовых пушек, 85 самолетов
Экипаж: 2687 чел.
Время использования: 1942-1975 гг.



9. "Карманный линкор", Германия

Водоизмещение: 16200 тонн
Двигатель: Восемь дизельных моторов MAN мощностью 56,8 тыс л/с
Скорость: 26 узлов
Запас хода: 9 тысяч миль при 19 узлах
Защита: максимальная толщина брони – 13 см
Основное вооружение: шесть одиннадцатидюймовых пушек
Экипаж: 1150 чел.
Время использования: 1931-1945 гг.


10. Класс "Худ" – крейсер, Великобритания

Водоизмещение: 42,5 тыс. тонн
Двигатель: четыре зубчатых турбины Battle Cruiser мощностью 144 тыс л/с
Скорость: 31 узел
Запас хода: 5,170 морских миль при 18 узлах
Защита: максимальная толщина брони – 38 см
Основное вооружение: восемь пятнадцатидюймовых пушек
Экипаж: 1418 чел.
Время использования: 1920-1941 гг.


непонятно, почему к одним единицам привести не могли, то дюймы брони то см, то вообще материал обозначен...

[Lt.AK]

Что-то не припомню я никакого Military Channel в Штатах... Такими сравнениями занимается либо Discovery либо History Channel.

http://military.discovery.com/

[Merlin00Z]

2naryv
спасбо.
странный список ... на вскидку - а где "Новик" ?

[Vini Puh]

А НОВИК видать рылом не вышел....))) самый лучший эсминец всех времён...!!! его скоростные данные до сих пор эталон. Да много чего в Новике нового... нефть, централизованое управление огнём в этом классе, турбины... калибр пушек... и ващеее ПРЕЛЕСТЬ а не кораблик.
А где англицкий ДРЕДНОУТ...??? корабль, который перевернул все понятия в караблестроении.
Микаса???... Монитор...??? Ямато...??? Дюнкерк...???
Список действительно никакой и неочём
ХУД можно было представить как самый нИсчастный корабль, понтов на километр, а конец беспонтовый.
Бисмарк и Тирпитц...??? второй всю свою недолгую жизнь по фиордам шкерился.
Айова....??? Страшилка для аборигенов.
Тикаденрога...??? не спорю... в своём классе хороший такой кораблик...
Флетчер...??? Я думаю наша "семёрка" того времени покруче будет...
Про "Ташкент" я вообще молчу, такого класса кораблей у запада вообще небыло.
И ваще дедушка Крылов форева...!!! я сомневаюсь, что "императрицы" себя бы не проявили, если всё нормально бы было... "Екатерина" только своим появлением турецкий флот и Гебена усраться заставила.
Вобщем фихня список... предвзятый.

[Old_Pepper]

А "Авроры" почему нет?
Самый разрушительный залп одной пушки!
Один выстрел - 70 лет разрухи целой страны. :D

[dark_wing]

Ждем-с, упорно ждем-с рейтинга самолетов! :)

[Old_Pepper]

Ждем-с, упорно ждем-с рейтинга самолетов! :)

Думаю, что если там наше чего-нить появится, то в последних строчках или АНтоновское или СУховское. :)

[naryv]

Ждем-с, упорно ждем-с рейтинга самолетов! :)
Top Ten Bombers :

10. Boeing B-17 Flying FortressIn 1937 the Boeing Aircraft Company built America's first all-metal, four-engine heavy bomber, the legendary B-17 Flying Fortress. Bristling with 13 0.5 machine guns, and with an average bomb load of 6,000 pounds, the "Forts" took on the worst the Luftwaffe had to offer. Flying in formations of up to 1,000 bomber daylight raids, the B-17s attacked some of the most heavily defended targets in occupied Europe. Suffering unprecedented losses, the young American airmen in their B-17s helped turn the tide of the war in Europe by destroying the Nazi war machine.
9. Handley Page 0/100
Aircraft technology was only 10 years old at the start of World War I, but within a few years it had developed at an extraordinary pace. Great Britain's first heavy bomber, the Handley Page 0/100, entered service in 1916 as a means of attacking the German Zeppelin bases that were causing huge damage to London. Powered by two Rolls Royce engines with a speed of 79 mph, these 100-foot wingspan aircraft were able to deliver their 2,000 pounds of bombs with remarkable accuracy. After the war, the Handley was converted and formed the staple flying machine for the first civilian airlines in Europe.
8. Junkers Ju-88
Believed by many to be the most important German bomber of World War II, the Ju-88 was in front-line service throughout the 1939-45 conflict. Its versatile design enabled it to be used as a bomber, dive bomber, torpedo bomber, heavy fighter and night fighter. Although heavier than the Heinkel 111 and the Dornier 17, it was the fastest of the Nazi bomber fleet. Armed with seven .303 machine guns and a payload of nearly 8,000 pounds, this aircraft was a formidable opponent during its service life.
7. Tupolev Tu-95
This huge Soviet long-range bomber, nicknamed the Bear, was designed to carry up to four nuclear bombs to the U.S. mainland from bases in Russia. Launched at the Moscow air show in 1955, its existence led American planners to believe there was a bomber gap between the Soviet Union and the U.S. In reality, the Bear stretched Soviet technology to the limit, but it could still pack a big punch and for three decades was a major threat to Western forces.
6. Boeing B-47 Stratojet
When the B-47 Stratojet first took to the skies in 1947, few people in the Air Force, or even Boeing, were enthusiastic about the design. The B-47 used swept-wing technology captured from Nazi Germany and an unusual tricycle undercarriage, which led many to think it would serve as no more than a research plane. But by mid-1948 it became clear to the Air Force and Boeing executives that the airplane far surpassed all of its contemporaries with straight wings. Test pilot Chuck Yeager was sent to follow a B-47 in a jet fighter to check its speed. He radioed to the B-47's civilian pilot, "I can't keep up." The next day, the B-47 set a new cross-country speed record at an average of 609.8 mph. Within only a few years, the plane became the primary bomber for the Strategic Air Command and eventually more than 2,000 B-47s were built. Though without the range and payload of its successor, the B-52, the B-47 "held the line" as a nuclear deterrent bomber in the early years of the Cold War.
5. Avro Lancaster
The Lancaster was Britain's most famous heavy bomber of World War II. Capable of carrying a bomb load of up to 22,000 pounds, Lancasters, which flew at night, pounded German cities and factories. As Bomber Command's favorite aircraft, the Lancaster was used on many specialized operations, such as the 1943 dam-busting strike and battleship Tirpitz sinking raids. But the success of the Lancaster came at a high price, with over 55,000 crewmen lost in the course of the war.
4. De Havilland Mosquito
Nicknamed the "Wooden Wonder," the Mosquito was perhaps the most versatile aircraft to see action during World War II. As a bomber, it was also the fastest. Constructed of wood, the plane was almost undetectable to radar. In addition, because of its speed, it carried no defensive armament as it could outrun any enemy fighter. With a payload of 2,000 pounds (later upgraded to 4,000 pounds) and the ability to fly from 10 feet to 31,000 feet, it could take the fight right to the enemy's door. By the end of World War II, more than 40 variants of this remarkable aircraft had been in action.
3. Boeing B-29 Super Fortress
The B-29 had a range of over 3,500 miles, an operational ceiling of 31,850 feet and a top speed of 358 mph. It could carry a huge payload of 20,000 pounds of bombs and was armed with 12 .50-calibre machine guns and a 20-mm cannon. The aircraft's design was very advanced. It featured aerodynamic fuselage, and the crew compartment was pressurized and fitted with bullet-proof glass. Used extensively in conventional bombing missions against the Japanese, the B-29 is best remembered for dropping atom bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki and thus ending World War II.
2. Nothrup Grumman B-2 Stealth Bomber
The flying-wing concept was brought into the world of advanced stealth technology by Northrop with the B-2 bomber. Coated with special composite laminate and secret paint, the B-2 is almost invisible to radar and more B-2s have been identified as UFOs than any other aircraft. Based in the U.S., B-2s on refuelling missions can hit any part of the world. At $2.2 billion per aircraft, the cost is awesome, but so is this aircraft.
1. Boeing B-52 Stratofortress
With a maximum speed of 650 mph, a range of over 8,000 miles and the capability to drop 70,000 pounds of bombs, the B-52 is the most lethal bomber in the world. It can also deliver nuclear weapons, cruise missiles and precision bombs. In addition to its deterrent role during the Cold War, it was also used to bomb North Vietnam. In both Afghanistan and Iraq it hit enemy targets with a heavy punch. Despite being built with 1950s technology, the B-52 is likely to remain in active service until 2045.

[naryv]

http://military.discovery.com/convergence/topten/bombers/slideshow/slideshow.html?clik=Top%20Ten_leftnav
Top Ten Fighting Vehicles
10. HumveeWhen the call went out to develop a vehicle to replace the much-loved and ubiquitous jeep, the winning design had to be exceptional. The High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle, or Humvee, first appeared in 1980 and a contract was awarded to makers AM General for nearly 60,000 vehicles. This figure has now risen to over 160,000, with Humvees sold to more than 36 countries. Its low center of gravity and strong frame make the Humvee a very dependable transport in over 12 different configurations. From armored carrier to special operations, from missile platform to recoilless rifle vehicle, this amazing fighting vehicle is fast making a reputation for itself. The Humvee's ability to carry eight troops plus crew, top speed of over 65 mph and .50-caliber machine gun further strengthen that reputation. Its all-terrain capability is global, with the U.S. Army using the Humvee for operations in Somalia, Iraq and Afghanistan. Though the Humvee has been criticized by some for its vulnerability, the sheer usefulness of this vehicle has led to its service in situations that normally call for much more heavily armed and armored vehicles.

9. LVT MK-4 (Landing Vehicle Tracked)
Known as amphibious tractors, or amtracks for short, the LVTs were the backbone of all the Marine landings during the long and bloody campaign of the Pacific War.Introduced in 1944, the innovative LVT MK-4 had a rear door so that either a jeep or gun could be unloaded. This new door also saved the lives of countless Marines, as they did not have to clamber over the side as in previous LVTs. With its powerful 75-mm howitzer, the LVT MK-4 could deliver a hail of fire to protect its 30 disembarking troops. Also, it did not have to stop at the water's edge. Propelled by tracks instead of a propeller, this LVT was just as at home on water, sand or jungle mud as it was on hard roads or grass. It was also used by the British forces in river crossings, particularly the Rhine, during the war in Europe. So respected was the LVT, that Navy leader Vice Adm. Edward L. Cochrane wrote: "There is not the slightest shadow of doubt that the overwhelming victories of our forces at Tarawa, Kwajalein, Saipan, Tinian, Guam, Palau and Iwo Jima would not have been possible without the Amtracks."
M-3 Halftrack
Inspired by a 1931 French design, the U.S. Army started work on a halftrack in 1938 and the basic M-3 design went into production in 1941. Used throughout the Army, the M-3 was an essential part of the armored divisions — each motorized infantry battalion had approximately 62. By the end of World War II, more than 40,000 M-3 halftracks had been produced in a wide variety of configurations, including personnel carrier, artillery tractor and communications vehicle. Because of the drive to its front axle, the M-3 was easier to maneuver than its counterpart, the German Sd.Kfz. 251. However, it lacked all-terrain usage and the ability to carry troops. The M-3 served around the world during World War II, as well as for many years afterward. Although production stopped in 1945, the M-3 was still going into combat with the Israeli Defense Force in the 1980s.
7. Universal Bren Gun Carrier
The British Universal Carrier, or Bren Carrier as it was popularly known, was the most widely used of all armored fighting vehicles during World War II. Able to carry between four and 14 troops, the Bren Carrier came in several versions, including machine gun, flamethrower, mortar platform, troop carrier, medi-vac and gun tractor. It was also capable of being glider borne and airlifted with a 6-pound anti-tank gun. From the battlefields of Europe to the jungles of the Far East, this vehicle was involved in every theater of action during World War II. Many of these carriers were captured by the Germans, who modified them to carry a 37-mm anti-tank gun and called them Panzerjaeger Bren. In fact, the Bren was the only carrier used by soldiers from every nation involved in the conflict of 1939-45. With a service record second to none, and with more than 200,000 built, this World War II vehicle richly deserves its accolades.
6. BMP-1
Once the armored personnel carrier had shown its worth in World War II, wheeled and tracked vehicles entered service with all the world's armies. The Soviet Red Army was the first to move the idea of a personnel carrier forward so that infantrymen would be able to fight from it, rather than have to dismount and lose the protection of the vehicle's armor. The first sight the West had of the brand-new vehicle was at a parade in Red Square in 1967. The Bronevaya Maschina Piekhota (BMP-1) had firing ports and vision blocks to enable its passengers to fire from within the vehicle. It also featured an automatic loading 73-mm turret-mounted gun firing fin-stabilized HEAT missiles. The BMP was amphibious, propelled though the water by its tracks. Though the BMP revolutionized armored warfare, it was not without drawbacks. The armor was thin and the low silhouette made it cramped for crew and passengers, but it was still used by many of the worlds' armies. Its successor, the BMP-2, has been made in large numbers and seen combat in Afghanistan and Iraq.
5. Sd.Kfz. 251
When Nazi Germany began developing its new theory of blitzkrieg in the 1930s, it became obvious that its infantry and artillery would need a new type of cross-country vehicle if they were to keep up with the tanks of the Panzer divisions. The result was one of the most important fighting vehicles of its time — the halftrack. First issued in 1938, the Sd.Kfz. 251 halftracks proved their worth during the fighting in Poland and showed that they were the ideal partners for the fast-moving German armor. Used initially as either armored personnel carriers or towing vehicles for artillery, the halftracks soon took on many other roles — such as anti-tank, anti-aircraft vehicle, ambulance, command vehicle and even a rocket launcher variant known as the "infantry Stuka" or "howling cow." The halftracks' outstanding cross-country ability was due to the unique sophisticated track system, though the lack of power to the front wheels made them harder to maneuver than their American equivalent. Employed in every major battle fought by the German army in World War II, the Sd.Kfz. 251 was constantly in demand. It was kept in service for another 10 years after the war by the Czech army.

[naryv]

4. Stryker
The Stryker is the first new armored vehicle to be introduced into U.S. Army service since 1980. This versatile warrior can be used as either an infantry carrier or mobile gun system armed with a 105-mm cannon. With a top speed of 62 mph and the ability to carry nine troops plus crew, this all-terrain vehicle provides both a highly mobile troop transport and a powerful gun in the fluid combat environment of the war against terror. With the ability to be airlifted by the C-130 Hercules, the Stryker can reach a combat zone much faster than the weighty Abrams tank, which has been criticized for being too heavy and unable to cope with off-road situations. The Stryker has seen action in Iraq and Afghanistan, and more than 2,400 have been contracted to be built.
3. MCV-80 Warrior
The British MCV-80 Warrior, like the U.S. Bradley, reflected a change in the philosophy of armored personnel carrier design that had come about when the Soviet BMP-1 was introduced. APCs were now infantry fighting vehicles, capable of giving fire support and engaging enemy vehicles. During the recent Iraqi conflict, a Warrior demonstrated its ability to take punishment when, caught in a fierce firefight, its driver managed to get the vehicle out of harm's way and save the lives of his badly wounded troops. For this action the driver was awarded Britain's highest military honor, the Victoria Cross. Self-contained, the Warrior carries sufficient stores and equipment to fight on the battlefield for a sustained period of 48 hours, plus a range of 410 miles, a speed of 47 mph and a 7.62 chain gun. The Warrior earns huge praise from all that have fought with, and against, it. This tough APC is now the standard vehicle of the British armed forces.
2. M-2 Bradley
The shortcomings of armored personnel carriers as battlefield vehicles — thin armor and limited firepower — led to the concept of the infantry-fighting vehicle in the late 1960s. Rather than simply carry an infantry squad to the battlefield, where they would dismount to fight, the IFV would enable infantrymen to fire their weapons from within the vehicle and engage targets while still protected behind armor. Derived from Soviet and German designs, the Bradley IFV went into production in 1981. With laminate spaced armor on top of an aluminium hull, the M-2 provides greater protection for its passengers than the M-113. The Bradley also has greater firepower available in the form of a 25-mm chain gun that can fire depleted uranium rounds. This powerful weapon knocked out more Iraqi armor during Operation Desert Storm than the 120-mm guns of the Abrams tank and is on the U.S. Army's books for the foreseeable future.
1. M-113
After World War II had shown the need for an armored personnel carrier for infantry, it became obvious that a fully tracked vehicle would offer the best combination of speed and all-terrain mobility. The M-113 went into production in the early 1960s. With the ability to carry 10 troops plus crew, an all-terrain speed of 40 mph and a range of 300 miles, it was an immediate winner. Since then over 80,000 have been built, and the M-113 has been exported to nearly 50 countries. Amphibious and air portable, the M-113 has been used in combat in Vietnam, the Middle East and Iraq. Besides fulfilling its basic personnel carrier role, the vehicle has served as a mortar carrier, command, anti-aircraft and flamethrower vehicle. The M-113 is still going strong and will probably be one of the most widely used armored vehicles ever built.

http://military.discovery.com/convergence/topten/afv/slideshow/slideshow.html?clik=Top%20Ten_leftnav


Вроде всё что есть на сайте у них, ну кроме уже известных "лучший танк" , "лучший корабль" и "лучшее стрелковое оружие"

[Andreich]

Я бы мог понять, ежли б Брэдли на первое место поставили, но эту хренотень М-113? :D

[naryv]

Очепяточка!:old:
Не моя :) Цитата из оригинала. Но у нас - поправлю, спасибо :)

[Klocska]

Military Channel емнип - подразделение Discovery, которое сейчас в отдельный канал выделилось.

2 Merlin00Z вот список :


непонятно, почему к одним единицам привести не могли, то дюймы брони то см, то вообще материал обозначен...

Kevlar, если ты об этом, IMHO сложно к общим еденицам привести - сильно по свойствам от "обычной" брони отличается.

[Молодчик]

А "Авроры" почему нет?
Самый разрушительный залп одной пушки!
Один выстрел - 70 лет разрухи целой страны. :D

:D :bravo:

[dark_wing]

2 naryv
Ну, вот.
Огласили, а у нас молчание. :)

[FilippOk]

У нас не молчание, у нас - бойкот!
Или, скажем так, упорное молчаливое несогласие. :)

[dark_wing]

У нас не молчание, у нас - бойкот!
Или, скажем так, упорное молчаливое несогласие. :)

Скажем так.
Авиаторы достаточно поумнеели, что бы не строить подобных рейтингов, и не обсуждать. :)