Couple of questions regarding MIG-29S

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13.01.2004, 22:03
Breadfan

Couple of questions regarding MIG-29S

(I hope u won't mind me speaking english here..U can reply in russian if u want, as I can understand most of it - simillar to my language)

Ok. I was wondering..why do russian jets always fire A-G weapons in pairs/salvo mode? Why not make it release one bomb/rocket at a time?

I find it really strange..for example if I fly MIG-29 (my favorite ;)) and carry ASM rockets (4 of those) I can destroy no more then 2 targets with it (an not 4) as they always fire in pairs. It is a waste of munition IMHO.

Another question, can S-13 rockets be effective against tanks and other armoured vehicles?

Thx,

Breadfan
13.01.2004, 23:17
Han

Actualy, from russian planes bombs allways releasing in pairs or more.
First - this is for symmetrical mass changing
Second - one bomb may not explode, but one of two bombs will explode anyway. This is an another side of less of cost of the bombs.
13.01.2004, 23:21
Han

In reality you can set:
how much of bumbs wil be dropped at one time (СЕРИЯ) and how much of time will be between drops (in fact - the lenght of destruction zone) (ИНТЕРВАЛ)

PS
Yes, the S-13 are wery effective even aganist MBT, but only if it will be hited right in armour.
They are not wery effective, if you'll hit near target (not right in it).

PPS
I'm so sorry for my english... :)
13.01.2004, 23:56
Breadfan

Цитата:

Originally posted by Han
Actualy, from russian planes bombs allways releasing in pairs or more.
First - this is for symmetrical mass changing
Second - one bomb may not explode, but one of two bombs will explode anyway. This is an another side of less of cost of the bombs.

Hmm..well u said that there IS a possibility for russian jets to fire 1 bomb at a time, but unfortunately LOMAC doesn't have this option. I was pretty impressed with A-G arsenal MIG-29 can carry. I always thought S-13 rockets and dumb bombs is all it can onboard but when I saw u have submmunition dispensers (simillar to those of Panavia Tornado) and nice variety of cluster bombs, it really made my day. :D

I don't wanna open another topic, so I'll just go on asking here:

I noticed when in CCIP mode, u can actually mark a spot on ground to be targeted and as long u hold your FIRE button it'll trmain marked untill your next attack run. It looks to me very simillar to laser targeting but as we all now MIG-29A & S version don't have this abbility, so seeing it in LOMAC makes me wonder, is this just an extra feature added just to make bombing more interesting or it's possible for real-life Fulcrum pilots to mark the spot on ground and keep it on the HUD even after flying opposite direction from target?

Breadfan
14.01.2004, 02:39
Olgerd

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Originally posted by Breadfan
...It looks to me very simillar to laser targeting but as we all now MIG-29A & S version don't have this abbility...

It is looks simillar to 'targeting cue fire mode' (translation may be not clear). In russian it is spelled as 'predvaritelnaya zasechka tzeli'. I don't how close this mode to it's real-life analog. In real live in this mode FCC also calculates wind and target speeds. In another words - this is more assurate fire mode.

P.S.
Same as Han about my english. :)
14.01.2004, 06:56
Han

No, I've never hear about this ability on russian planes and do not have see it in any documentation.
"Predvaritelnaya zasechka" - it is absolutly another thing with another functions - it's function is to provide ability to hit in mooving target.
14.01.2004, 11:33
Freddie

Цитата:

Originally posted by Breadfan
I noticed when in CCIP mode, u can actually mark a spot on ground to be targeted and as long u hold your FIRE button it'll trmain marked untill your next attack run. It looks to me very simillar to laser targeting but as we all now MIG-29A & S version don't have this abbility, so seeing it in LOMAC makes me wonder, is this just an extra feature added just to make bombing more interesting or it's possible for real-life Fulcrum pilots to mark the spot on ground and keep it on the HUD even after flying opposite direction from target?

You don't need to have an onboard laser designator for this. In theory, FCC can simply retrieve the coordinates of the spot under the pipper from inertial navigation system and then display it's location on HUD werever you fly. Of course, the longer you fly after marking a spot, the less precise this indication will be, as INS accumulates error with time.
14.01.2004, 13:09
KACATKA

Цитата:

Originally posted by Breadfan
Hmm..well u said that there IS a possibility for russian jets to fire 1 bomb at a time, ........
Breadfan

Zdravo, bok, Breadfan! ;) Drago mi je sto sam vas upoznao.. =) Kako ste?

Correct me, Han, if I am wrong, but I think Han didn't say that there IS such possibility..

What he actually said was that

Цитата:

...from russian planes bombs allways releasing in pairs or more.

P.S. Donesite mne kriglu piva, molimo vas! :D Hvala =)
Kakvo je vrijeme?
15.01.2004, 00:46
Han

Ups...
Sorry...
Bombs can be released by one...
But rockets - only by pairs. Exept S-25.
This is checked information.
15.01.2004, 01:14
Foxbat (FOX)

Hey, Han, tell me please, how in Lock On bombs can be released by one from russian aircraft? Or you were talking about real aircraft? or I need to get some sleep?...:rolleyes:

ЗЫ: KACATKA, ты хорватский знаешь, что ли? Или это был набор дежурных фраз? Вроде незабвенного "Если хочешь жить, проведи нас к ракетной установке...."
15.01.2004, 01:34
KACATKA

Thank you, Han for clarification =)

Foxbat, говорю немного по-хорватски..
у меня все шефы хорваты =)
и у нас проект отеля 5-стар в Дубровнике =))
15.01.2004, 02:16
Han

Эммм... А щчо цэ такэ кларификация?

It's about reality :)
15.01.2004, 02:50
KACATKA

=) Данила, clarification - это прояснение.. =) в некоторых случаях - просветление =)
15.01.2004, 11:30
Han

ааа...
15.01.2004, 22:08
Foxbat (FOX)

Цитата:

Originally posted by KACATKA
Foxbat, говорю немного по-хорватски..
у меня все шефы хорваты =)
и у нас проект отеля 5-стар в Дубровнике =))

Прикольно... Что ж тут ещё скажешь..
19.01.2004, 16:17
Breadfan

Цитата:

Originally posted by KACATKA
Thank you, Han for clarification =)

Foxbat, говорю немного по-хорватски..
у меня все шефы хорваты =)
и у нас проект отеля 5-стар в Дубровнике =))

Without using a translator I guess u say u speak only little croatian and your boss is Croat...and something about 5 star hotels in Dubrovnik..right? :)

As for your order:

P.S. Donesite mne kriglu piva, molimo vas! Hvala =)

Here's the answer:

Koliko piva? Dvije, tri, četri? :D

Breadfan
20.01.2004, 01:15
Foxbat (FOX)

Цитата:

Originally posted by Breadfan
Without using a translator I guess u say u speak only little croatian and your boss is Croat...and something about 5 star hotels in Dubrovnik..right? :)

As for your order:

P.S. Donesite mne kriglu piva, molimo vas! Hvala =)

Here's the answer:

Koliko piva? Dvije, tri, četri? :D

Breadfan

Lol, everything is right!
20.01.2004, 14:38
Stardust

Цитата:

Originally posted by Breadfan
Koliko piva? Dvije, tri, četri? :D

All you can find I guess... :D
It will be not enough anyway... ;)
20.01.2004, 15:30
Breadfan

Цитата:

Originally posted by Stardust
All you can find I guess... :D
It will be not enough anyway... ;)

I'm sure it won't..:D

Breadfan
20.01.2004, 19:20
Foxbat (FOX)

As much as possible! BEER FOREVER!
20.01.2004, 21:26
Breadfan

Цитата:

Originally posted by Foxbat (FOX)
As much as possible! BEER FOREVER!

I guess Russians and Irish are gentically enhanced for drinking. Are u two people related? :D:D:D

Breadfan
20.01.2004, 21:57
Han

I'm remember, how once we have a try to clarificate to one french guy - what is the "first russian national tradition" %) :D :D
22.01.2004, 22:26
Foxbat (FOX)

Цитата:

Originally posted by Breadfan
I guess Russians and Irish are gentically enhanced for drinking. Are u two people related? :D:D:D

Breadfan

Of course we are!:D:D:D (I'm ukrainian.:D;) )