http://www.saitek.ru/other/x52/
вот может видели уже
С уважением, Дмитрий
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http://www.saitek.ru/other/x52/
вот может видели уже
С уважением, Дмитрий
Ессно видели!
А че ты думаешь народ слюни пускает? :)
Да уже вспотели ждать, когда оно, наконец, до нас доедет. А то на западе уже во всю продають.
Вроде, только-только начинают...
http://www.simw.com/index.cfm?fuseac...tails&pid=1312
Жаль, что в нашу Киргизию никто это чудо не привезёт, придётся изгалятся, чтоб достать из Москвы.
кстати, шкурный вопрос, он таки будет стоить 130 уёв или всё таки больше?
С уважением, Дмитрий
Так, первое ревью на Saitek форуме:
http://www.saitekforum.com/showthread.php?t=6116
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Hi Gang,
I had an X52 sent to me for review on my radio show. After a bit over a week of use I thought I would post my opinions here, they will be airing Wednesday :-)
The X52 cosmetically is a side step rather than an upgrade from the X45. The coloring is nice and matches with the Gamer Keyboard very nicely. The blue lights are really neat and the look is very tech, but it is not an improvement of the look from the cosmetic look of the X45. The X45 might not look as high tech but does look more durable.
The adjustability of the X52 is something that was very nice to find. The palm rest and pinky switch can be adjusted up or down to fit hand size. With a full 1.5" of travel this works very well. Only complaint here is I wish the palm rest as a bit wider.
The button layout on the stick is a HUGE improvement over the X45. The X45 has a flat top at roughly a 45 degree angle and all the buttons on that top. The X52 has the base 45 degree slope, the primary hat and two fire buttons sit on that, however the top then turns up to a full 90 putting the second hat, launch button and another trigger. At the end of this section is a rotor for mode selection.
This design puts all the buttons in a much more natural pattern without the need to STRETCH to get to a button. The front button on the X45 stick is now moved to the 45 degree area of the X52 stick. It is on the left side. Now this is USUALLY bad for a stick since it beans the button will get accidentally hit a lot as the thumb comes over. The X52 fixed this with some innovative design ideas. First the button is a flush mount, by not being raised they made it harder to accidentally hit. Next the button is positioned so it is BETWEEN the base hat and the 90 degree hat. This means your thumb will not likely rest there and it require s a bit of conscious effort to hit. Still very easy to reach just much harder to accidentally hit.
The spring load Launch cover is nice and works very well the tension is about perfect and the cover flips up and down with ease.
The Trigger has been modified to a two step. This is actually very useful. The first step has a solid feel and a short travel. A light touch will work really well here and response is quick. The second bump can easily be mapped and can be used as a second firing or to alpha strike full weapons.
At the base of the stick you have three toggle switches. The triggers register two positions on each. These are great for mapping seldom used functions that you can take your hand off the stick for a second to do. This further eliminates the need for the use of the keyboard. GREAT IDEA...
The spring in the stick is actually a bit looser than the X45; it feels a LOT like an EVO. The twist is very smooth and functions well. A lock exists on the stick to cut off the twist. The Hall sensors provide for a better range of motion and the stick definitely feels more precise. It requires however that X45 users develop a lighter touch.
The throttle has some interesting changes as well. The tension adjustment is no longer a screw of the bottom but a thumb screw on the side, easy to use. The indentations for middle and after burner are very light and difficult to feel. Also the zero throttle or middle position is a bit back, would adjust it about 10% forward.
The front of throttle had remains and has been joined by a scroll wheel for a mouse which also has a button press. Nice feature if you use the mouse mode on the stick.
The rotor on the tops of the stick is set so it is at a 90 degree angle; in the center is a fire button. A slight bend in the stick moves the standard button from the X45 to a bit more facing angle and the button size was reduced. The second rotor is a bit down in angle and in the center of it is a clutch button. This is to neutralize the stick and allow on the fly mode switching.
The mode and aux are gone from the throttle and replaced by a slider. Not personally found a use yet but I am sure the flight sim gurus will find a ton.
The mouse and mouse button have been moved forward a tad and are basically unchanged.
The MFD looks real neat but in the end is all about looks. It shows you a display of your current mode and the profile loaded for the stick. If you NAME your buttons it will show you what button you are pressing. (If I am in a game I do not have time to look at a display of what I am pressing)
A clock on the MFD will allow you to keep three different time zones for rapid access. The first one is GMT and the rest are fully adjustable. At the bottom right corner is the date. The time can be replaced by a stop watch so you can time your play time or help make sure you complete missions on time. This is actually, with the time, the most useful features of the MFD.
The basic software is nearly identical to the X45 however the drivers offer a few useful twists.
The lights can be dimmed or turned off if you choose. Not that useful but a thoughtful touch, I like the lights full blast myself :-)
Dead zones for all the axis on the stick can be adjusted, not just the center but the outer limits as well. This means you can make the stick hit a full turn faster and reduce the throw, thus speeding up response. This does not limit the physical movement but will make the stick more responsive in games and can be customized to your feel.
The last screen in the drivers will let you set the MFD for the time zones you want and the date format you choose.
I have to say I was prepared for this to be just a tricked out X45 when I got it. I was overjoyed to find a whole new stick. The feel of the EVO in its flow is obvious and the precision is there. The layout is a ton better than ANY stick I have ever used INCLUDING the EVO. The layout reduces the need for much adjustment except for hand size and the adjustments of the X52 take care of that nicely.
To date I have only a had a few issues with the stick and they seem to be game related. The way the stick reads it buttons means some games do not see them correctly. However using the profile software I can set my buttons as needed so this is a minor issue at best.
I have used a LOT of joysticks in my life, and I can honestly say that hands down, so far the X52 is the best I have had.
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I have actually gotten a lot of questions about durability, sorry, have not had it long enough to test durability.
I will tell you that as an X45 user I tend to have a heavy hand and the X52 suffered from that the first few days. I have found that over the last few days my touch is a lot lighter and the stick responds better.
I actually went back to my X45 before typing this for about 30 minutes, I found it way to stiff and movement was not as percise.
In fairness the hat design does not actually seem much changed from the X45 as far as actual movement of the hat. I would suggest judging based on that.
А здесь товарищ только что купил и делится первыми впечатлениями. У него раньше был MS FFB джойстик.
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S! Bogun,
You asked that I send you my opinion on the new X52 flight controls. Well, I have had a few days to mess around with it now. I am not sure if this will give you an idea, but here I go.
I am used to a force feedback so the feel is new to me. The flight stick seems pretty responsive. It does feel a bit loose, but that is because I am used to a force stick that had constant tension. The tension on the X52 is ok. I think I will be able to get use to it and when I get the stick settings set in the IL2 game, I am sure it will be fine.
The construction seems good. Very comfortable. The flight stick grip is adjustable, you can raise or lower the grip. I liked that. The throttle has a tension adjustment which is good. The triggers are made of metal and both throttle and flight stick has metal materials. I think that is very good. Both seem heavy enough where I do not need the suction cups that came with the package. They do not slide on the desk, but my desk is oak...so not sure if the suction cups would be needed on metal or slick surface.
Buttons: God, there are so many options. I am not used to so many buttons.....I don't know where to put everything. The profile program to set the buttons up is very good. Not a very steep learning curve. I have not found an option I can not do. The throttle has two rotaries which are great for prop pitch, flaps or trim. There is also a hat switch that can be set to 4 or 8 way. There is a Smooth action thumb slider that I set my flaps to. It works great. It also has a "clutch button" used to change profiles on the fly and also will disable buttons so you can see what you have a button set to do in the LCD display. The LCD display is nice. Has time, stopwatch, date and shows what mode and profile you are in. There are also two push buttons and a mouse controller with left mouse button. There is a scroll wheel on the front around the index finger with a push in as well...not sure what the heck to use that for. That is just on the Throttle.
The Flight stick buttons are great. Two hat switches. A two position trigger and also a metal pinkie trigger which can be used as a shift or regular key press. There is a Mode selector switch on the top of the flight stick (3 position with led green, orange, red) positioned using the thumb. When you rotate the mode switch, it changes the mode displayed in the throttle LCD. So, there are 3 modes you can set button commands, plus if you set the pinkie trigger as a shift that brings you to 6 modes just in one profile. And if that is not enough buttons, you can set up different profiles which can be selected on the fly by pressing in the Throttle clutch button and clicking on one of the flight stick hat switches. This cycles thru the different profiles which are listed in real time on the throttle LCD display. On the back of the base there are 3 two position selector switches. There are also 4 fire buttons on top by the hat switches with one with a quick open/close cover. I set my bombs on that....lol
I am very happy. It will take me a long time to figure out how to set up all the button commands, but that is what I want. I will even put my TS comm button on the setup...
I wish I had the X45 so I could give an you an idea on the "feel" off the stick in comparison. I am sure if you like the 45 the feel should not be much different than what you are already used to.
I hope this helps. I would recommend.
Аааа.. хочу!!! *слюни* *слюни* Когда они у нас в продаже то будут? Сил ждать нет %)
Нельзя ли в общих чертах для малограмотных, не владеющих басурманским...чего пишут-то!? :rolleyes:
Попробую немного попереводить, но таланта нету, простите.
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Первый - проф. reviewer, Второй - как мы - випил.
Хвалят, первый сравнивает с X45, говорит что все контроли гораздо более удобно расположены, центрующая пружина намного легче чем у X45 и похожа по усилиям на EVO.
Первый, чтоб сравнить - переключился обратно на X45, говорит что после X52 старый стик слишком жесткй и не движения не такие точные (way to stiff and movement was not as percise).
Обоим нравится большое количество кнопок и выключателий, второй говорит что даже не знает что со всеми делать. :)
Второй рассказывает про програмные функции - ну очень много можно запрограмировать в один профайл, плюс можно профайлы менять в игре.
Оба рекомендуют, первый даже сказал что X52 - лучший джойстик из всех какие у него были.
спасибо :) Из ценного понял что пружина МЯГЧЕ чем на Х45, уже хорошо...
А что, не ругают что ли? Намедни пощщупал Еву с фидбеком НЕ включенной в сеть. На ощупь как член вялый, пружинка совсем слабая, НО фирменный косяк Сайтековский с "порожком" в околонулевой зоне ПРИСУТСТВУЕТ. Центральный загруз далёт о себе знать, может с включенными моторами будет получше, менее заметен порожек этот? Нет обзоров...
Мля ! Краснодар что - впереди планеты всей ? Там он уже стоИт по 4875 руб.
http://www.infokub.ru/firms/price.js...d=94235&sort=1
АААААААААААААААААаааааааааааааа!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
А это мысль %))) Раньше народ в Москву за палками ездил, а теперь из Москвы в Краснодар %))
Kursant
Не ругают. Первый только сказал что сказал что было несколько проблем из за игры (To date I have only a had a few issues with the stick and they seem to be game related). Второй только в ИЛ-2 играет, у него никаких проблем.
Для меня самое главное (ну или одно из двух, второе - иметь достаточно слайдеров/rotary чтобы подвесить элеватор трим и проп.) была эта центрирующая сила. Я перепробовал штук восемь джойстиков, включая X45, Cougar и CH Fighterstick - (который сейчас в кладовке стоит, пыль собирает вместе с CH педалями) а должен был вернутся к моему старому Saitek 3D Gold USB как раз из за центрирующей силы. Даже EVO для меня казался очень "тугим". Наверное, пока сам не попробуеш - никакие ревью не помогут... Закажу наверное...
Есть сведения что x52 не поддерживается (пока что) некоторыми играми (Star Wars Galaxies: JTL).
Боже мой ! Только не это ! Я щас расплачусь... :)Цитата:
Сообщение от svadu01
Да, актуально про стар варсы :D.. единственно что меня не порадовало в отзывах приведенных выше - это то, что люди сомневаются в живучести Х52
А с чего ему быть живучим-то!? :D На РУДе стоят ОБЫЧНЫЕ резисторы, видимо как на Х45, вот они и будут "сыпаться"... Нет, есть пилоты у которых Х45 работает "годами" без нареканий :rolleyes: Но у моих четверых приятелей (включая меня) 45-й посыпался через 3 месяца :mad:Цитата:
Сообщение от Odin
Потом обратите внимание на крестовину\рамку (в подошве где центральный шток) - система как у Кугара и это означает ЛЮФТЫ. Какой величины они, вот это вопрос, может и не очень большие, но по сравнению с механикой Сайдвиндера ФФ любой джой не выдерживает никакой критики.
Нет в жизни совершенства...
Если абстрагироватся и перечитать все баги Ил-2, то можно уйти в тетрис.... :)))
Ой и задолбали вы людей своими микрософтамиЦитата:
Сообщение от Kursant
:D
Все, забудьте, мелкомягкие палки в прошлом, надо смотреть что есть реально нормального сейчас в продаже.. Кстати мне может толком объяснить кто-то - нафиг там дисплей в РУДе? Только чтоб смотреть какой профиль загружен или еще что полезного умеет? Кроме освещения комнаты %)
А как оно может не поддерживаться играми, если игры вообще не должны знатьт, с чем они через DirectInput работают?
Kursant,Цитата:
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Я не знаю на что вы там смотрите, но ЛЮФТОВ на Saitek джойстиках (во всяком случае на 3D Gold и EVO) просто нет.
Отсутствуют как класс. :) Неужели X52 сделан но другому?
Появившийся уже после 2-3 часов эксплуатации люфт по тангажу около1-1,5 см и по крену ок.1 см. стали одной из причин (не главной, правда) почему после 2 месяцев мучений мне пришлось обменять новый Ево на АБ 2...Цитата:
Сообщение от Bogun
А ты посмотри картинку Х52 СНИЗУ, там ты узреешь некую рамку (оси Х и Y) это о много мне говорит. По джоям я практически ЭКСПЕРТ :D , это у тебя их ВСЕГО восемь было, гы ;)Цитата:
Сообщение от Bogun
Видишь ли..люфт просто ОБЯЗАН быть...это так называемый ТЕХНОЛОГИЧЕСКИЙ люфт. Кугар видел? Так это практически аналог его по механики передачи усилия осей Х и Y
P.S. рад бы ошибиться...
Там ДРУГАЯ система передач :DЦитата:
Сообщение от Bogun