NewView - новый обзор в Ил-2

[andreaogeno]

Yeaaaah!!
That Rulez! Now all work so fine
Thx again Hruks you're great

Kill one my curiosity...most of the settings in Speed Parameters, are useless for Cam2Pan users right?

[wdq4587]

Hello Hurks

It is possible. NV can read only 6 axis. You can check all of this on Config/Joystic tab. Select Device # for Main devoce and look at the bottom panel. X,Y,Z,R,U,V values should changed if you change axis position and Device ID is correct. If axis you need do not working then it is not supported on NV.

X-36 only has 6 axis. The problem is the U vlalues in NV config tan never change. Others can change if you move the joystick. I also tested last night, using NV3.0 is same result. I want know your program use number or name to read axis values?

I don't installed driver for X-36 before in W2K. It's use microsoft default HID driver. Last night I installed basic driver of Saitek SD3.2. Still same result in NV.

Could you change Main and Additional joysticks? Send me INI file you using and describe correct ID for X-36 and Logitech joys.

That need I test it after I go home. But I guess that not INI file related. What I forgot last night is change joystick ID in W2K control panel to see the result.

NV has issue with analog zoom controlled by Additional joystick. I fix this on latest version.

I see.

About memry pointer problem. Exactly no Pointer problem is specified to C programmer style I use Delphi and Objects. I have no memory problems in general Do you familiar with DelhiX components for Builder or familiar with DirectInput?

I am not sure, you don't see pointer that do not mean there are no pointer, although I have used Delphi 10 years ago. I fell Turbo pascal and C++ is about same, what I changed to C++ Builder is because I do not like pascal syntax.

I am not familiar with DelhiX components or DirectInput. I do have some interesting on game programming but I really do not have time to try it.

No, this is not requared TIR HW. This used TIR interface for output zoom value to game. Z axis filled up with zoom value. Some games used this interface for contol zoom or move thru Z axis. For example "LockOn" or "GT Legends". FB do not used this interface. Only Key Generation output can be used for FB game.

I see. Thanks for explain!

SnapView is one more experimental kind of view on NV. It is like native Snap View on FB but this more flexible. For example this can track zoom position and correct change angle according zoom.

I see. I'll try it.

No. FB accept only values divide by 5. And I do not like this interface on NV. This is very FB specific and not comfortable.

If they can allow any number, that should be great. I don't understand why they restrict FOV values numbers in DeviceLink interface. I mean only limited kind FOVs, why not a set(gov) instead so many call. I guess it's not difficult to support any FOV (in range) in graphics engine.

I do not understood. Sorry. Please describe more detailed and sendINI file.

I should say it simple. What I mean is if I try use KG4 but no KG1 KG2 KG3 assigned first, it will not work in NV3.6 (later version I have not tested).

Thanks for your reply!

[Hruks]

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Kill one my curiosity...most of the settings in Speed Parameters, are useless for Cam2Pan users right?

It is not true.
This speed settings do not affected Helmet mode. It is right.
But Cam2Pan users can combine Helmet mode with Hat View and/or UView and/or ScanSky modes. In this case this settings should be used.

I do not think the Helmet mode is very comfortable. During longer travel you can relax on your armchair: deactivate Helmet mode, switch to HatView and control camera by joystick or keys or mouse. Helmet mode can be activated late... before fighting for example

[Hruks]

X-36 only has 6 axis. The problem is the U vlalues in NV config tan never change. Others can change if you move the joystick. I also tested last night, using NV3.0 is same result. I want know your program use number or name to read axis values?

My program used number for adress axis.
I have X52 and all 6 axes works fine. But I can not read 7th axis.
I think I can not help you.

That need I test it after I go home. But I guess that not INI file related. What I forgot last night is change joystick ID in W2K control panel to see the result.

No. I mean change ID in Config program. Device #.

I am not sure, you don't see pointer that do not mean there are no pointer, although I have used Delphi 10 years ago. I fell Turbo pascal and C++ is about same, what I changed to C++ Builder is because I do not like pascal syntax.

I do not like pascal syntax too But I do not agree - Turbo pascal and Delphi is different. I use anther style of programming. This is not similar to Turbo pascal or general C++. Ok, forget it .

If they can allow any number, that should be great. I don't understand why they restrict FOV values numbers in DeviceLink interface. I mean only limited kind FOVs, why not a set(gov) instead so many call. I guess it's not difficult to support any FOV (in range) in graphics engine.

You should adress this question to FB developers

I should say it simple. What I mean is if I try use KG4 but no KG1 KG2 KG3 assigned first, it will not work in NV3.6 (later version I have not tested).

This is not clear for me. Just send me INI file and describe your settings.
For example:
I try to use only one generator number 4.
Settings:
1. go to Butons/Assignments/Button Generator/4.KeyGenerator. Detect. Press Joystick Key 5. Press button "Save to INI file".
2. go to Butons/Button Generator/Generator Num -> 4. Scan Code for first. Press Key 'X', Scan code for second. Press Key 'Y'. Press "Save to INI file". Setting next: Generator two pres is xxx, etc.
3. Launch FB. Set 'X' key to increase FOV, Set 'Y' key to decrease FOV.
4. Start new flight.
5. Press Joy Key 5. FOV increased. Unpress Joy Key 5. FOV decreased.

[wdq4587]

My program used number for adress axis.
I have X52 and all 6 axes works fine. But I can not read 7th axis.
I think I can not help you.

It's strange. Is there are any way to let me know the program read failure or read wrong values? And why -16000 to 16000? And why at first it's -16000 for last 3 axis until joystick axis move.

This my X-36 NO.5 axis works ok in W2K control panel, DXTweak2, IL2 serires. I'll test more game to see does it work. Does your program use different method to read axis values?

No. I mean change ID in Config program. Device #.

I have already done. So I know other 5 axis can be read in Newview. What I should do is change X-36 joystick ID from 1 to 0 in W2K control panel to test.

I do not like pascal syntax too But I do not agree - Turbo pascal and Delphi is different. I use anther style of programming. This is not similar to Turbo pascal or general C++. Ok, forget it .

OK

This is not clear for me. Just send me INI file and describe your settings.
For example:
I try to use only one generator number 4.
Settings:
1. go to Butons/Assignments/Button Generator/4.KeyGenerator. Detect. Press Joystick Key 5. Press button "Save to INI file".
2. go to Butons/Button Generator/Generator Num -> 4. Scan Code for first. Press Key 'X', Scan code for second. Press Key 'Y'. Press "Save to INI file". Setting next: Generator two pres is xxx, etc.
3. Launch FB. Set 'X' key to increase FOV, Set 'Y' key to decrease FOV.
4. Start new flight.
5. Press Joy Key 5. FOV increased. Unpress Joy Key 5. FOV decreased.

Since you take seriously on this little problem. I will do more test after I go home. What I think before is may be your program if don't found KG1 is assigned (with a specify button or keyboard), it will not check KG2 KG3 and more. It seems not now.

[Hruks]

It's strange. Is there are any way to let me know the program read failure or read wrong values? And why -16000 to 16000? And why at first it's -16000 for last 3 axis until joystick axis move.

-16000 to 16000 because it is usual for me It is used only on Config.
I do not know why if you do not move Joy the values do not changed. It is strange. If I start Config and do not touch Joy or change ID to virtual Joy - all axis have 0.

This my X-36 NO.5 axis works ok in W2K control panel, DXTweak2, IL2 serires. I'll test more game to see does it work. Does your program use different method to read axis values?

I have no idea for this. I use fixed component mentioned before and this component used DX5 interface. This worked on many joys before.

I have already done. So I know other 5 axis can be read in Newview. What I should do is change X-36 joystick ID from 1 to 0 in W2K control panel to test.

How about another joystick? I remember you have this.

Since you take seriously on this little problem. I will do more test after I go home. What I think before is may be your program if don't found KG1 is assigned (with a specify button or keyboard), it will not check KG2 KG3 and more. It seems not now.

All 50 generators worked independly. Only one exlude - if one have 2 button kombination for activate then no other will work. But this is constrain for all NV functions.

[wdq4587]

-16000 to 16000 because it is usual for me It is used only on Config.
I do not know why if you do not move Joy the values do not changed. It is strange. If I start Config and do not touch Joy or change ID to virtual Joy - all axis have 0.

I have no idea for this. I use fixed component mentioned before and this component used DX5 interface. This worked on many joys before.

After I change ID in NV config tab form 0 to 1, R U V axis values is -16000, x y z is 0 (may be z is other value). After I move the joy axis, Z R and V can change from values between -16000 to 16000. I'll do more test on it after I go home. May be I set R and V axis position to -16000 before I change ID. But V should be 0 for I perfer put it in the middle position.

Please tell me the Delphi component name, may be some old components have errors. (I have seen that before). For that time the author may be do not have condition to test 2 joysticks in one PC and the 6 axis joystick have the secondary ID.

It's difficult to me to learn VC. It's too complex. So I still only use C++ Builder. But I had to say direct access the API really have some advantage.....

How about another joystick? I remember you have this.

Wingman Force is a old joystick, do not have rudder, only have 3 analog axis. All works well. It's a great force feedback joystick.

All 50 generators worked independly. Only one exlude - if one have 2 button kombination for activate then no other will work. But this is constrain for all NV functions.

I see.

Thanks for your reply!

[wdq4587]

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Hello Hruks

I think I found what's the problem.

First I need say my memoy is worse. These axis which can be read do not have -16000 at first while running Newview. Only the axis can not be read like last 3 axis of Wingman Force, and No.5 axis of X-36 have -16000. So I guess -16000 most probably mean it can not be read or read empty. (like NULL in database or -1 for some program). I try change X-36 ID to 1 (first) in control panel and turn off Wingman Force. Nothing difference.

Then I try run more games to check the X-36 axis. Warbirds 3 and Mig Alley can run it no problem. And just by trying this, I first time found the way let 2 joysticks works together in Mig Alley. Mig Alley is my favorite game, but padlock problem always let me fell annoying.

Then I found a little utility joystimm.exe joystimm.zip packaged in a game called Racer. After running it, I found some interesting things. Please look the graphics. This Controller Peeker v2.1 show 8 axis in panel although there are only 6 available. 2 axis were gray.



Different games have different names call these axis:
(Control Panel name is the native name provided by the manufacturer)

NO  "Control Panel"   "Controller Peeker"   IL2
1   X Axis              XAxis                   XAxis
2   YAxis               YAxis                   YAxis
3   Throttle        "Slider 0"            "U Slider"
4   Rudder          "Z Rotation"          "Z Rotation"
5   Rotary1         "Slider 1"            "V slider"
6   Rotary2         "X Rotation"          "X Rotation"

I remember in setup interface, Mig alley and Warbirds 3 (and DXTweak2) use same name as W2K control panel name. But the order is interesting:

X
Y
Rotary2
Rudder
Throttle
Rotary1

Compare to Controller Peeker display

X Axis
Y Axis
Z Axis
X Rotation = Rotary2 of X-36 for it rotate around the X axis (forward direction)
Y Rotation
Z Rotation = Rudder for all rudder rotate around the Z axis (up direction)
Slider 0 = Throttle
Slider 1

You should found they use same sequence although different name, and there are 2 axis absence. I also notice the Wingman Force "Z axis" (native name) in Controller Peeker called Slide 0 (=Throttle). What I think is in DX5 or older DX version, there are 8 predefined axis names and 8 fixed number ID as showen in Controller Peeker interface. Your program or the Delphi component use a order X=1 Y=2 Z=7 R=6 U=? V=4 to read them. I think U=5 not 3 (since it's difficult to move in Z axis in 3D space for a joystick), of course not 8. So this "Rotary1" axis in X-36 will not be read by Newview any more. It's not my joystick only problem. I think all X-36 should have same result.

Then about that KG button problem. I have tested, the 37C version also have same problem. I attach the ini files for you to check. Il2-Sturmovik Forgotten Battles_1.zip

[andreaogeno]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFTRs...rch=6dof%20il2

Have u seen????

Hruks...can you make something for realize this?

[wdq4587]

Hello Hruks

I have do more search and found these predefined constants in dinput.h:

　　DIJOFS_BUTTON0 to DIJOFS_BUTTON31
　　DIJOFS_BUTTON(n)
　　DIJOFS_POV(n)

　　DIJOFS_X
　　DIJOFS_Y
　　DIJOFS_Z
　　DIJOFS_RX
　　DIJOFS_RY
　　DIFOFS_RZ
　　DIJOFS_SLIDER(n)

http://www.koders.com/cpp/fid033F85F...5D6706F69.aspx

In this DX8 version of dinput.h, defined 32 (or extended 128) buttons, 4 POVs and only 2 Sliders. Although it seems the API will allow more Sliders and more POVs and buttons in future version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFTRs...rch=6dof%20il2

Wa! It's amazing!

[turliga]

Новая версия 37 c.
Пока статус беты, так как детект кнопок пока ещё не ко всему прикручен.

Поправлены некоторые баги предыдущих бет.

Эта версия должна работать со многими играми, которые знают TIR.
Эта версия даже работает с самим TIR акк с источником данных. Детали позже. Если кому интересно - пишите.
Есть альтернативный зум для Локона. Детали позже. Если кому интересно - пишите.

Скорость считывания данных увеличина в несколько раз.

NewViewToMouse доработана для определения точности и омфортности обзора с разными настройками. Для этого есть специальная закладка и окно, которое масштабирует координатную область до 128 раз.

А вот Зум в Трекире можно сделать, чтоб в ИЛе работало.
Так вроде в тесте работает, а в ИЛе нет, или я не так готовлю

[-SCS-UHU]

Новая версия 37 c.

Эта версия даже работает с самим TIR акк с источником данных. Детали позже. Если кому интересно - пишите.

Т.е. теперь NW37с видит тракир и работает с ним аналогично URGear'у ? Если это так, то можно подробнее описать механизм взаимодействия программы и тракира - для корректной работы нужно ли ставить софт и дрова ?

[Мотылёк]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFTRs...rch=6dof%20il2

А я в какой-то из соседних веток читал, что такое невозможно в силу ограничений движка.:old:
Выходит, возможно?:confused:
Или это BoB?

[Hruks]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFTRs...rch=6dof%20il2

Have u seen????

Hruks...can you make something for realize this?

In case if FB will support this I will rty to support this too.
But now this is unsupported on FB.

[Hruks]

А вот Зум в Трекире можно сделать, чтоб в ИЛе работало.
Так вроде в тесте работает, а в ИЛе нет, или я не так готовлю

Пока нельзя, но сделать это совсем не сложно.
Вот как добуду ТИР - дело веселее пойдёт. Сейчас это разрабатывать весьма не просто.

[Hruks]

Т.е. теперь NW37с видит тракир и работает с ним аналогично URGear'у ? Если это так, то можно подробнее описать механизм взаимодействия программы и тракира - для корректной работы нужно ли ставить софт и дрова ?

Да, теперь видит и работает.
NewView общается с TIR также как и другие программы. Стало быть нужны драйвера, софт, настройки и т.п.
Хитрость запуска состоит в том, что нужно сначала запустить ТИР а потом перерегистрировать NV в реестре перед запуском игры.

Кстати есть вопрос - а вот Вы готовы выделить средства на работу в этом направлении, например на приобретение мне ТИРа?

[Oleg_Tr]

Да, теперь видит и работает.
NewView общается с TIR также как и другие программы. Стало быть нужны драйвера, софт, настройки и т.п.
Хитрость запуска состоит в том, что нужно сначала запустить ТИР а потом перерегистрировать NV в реестре перед запуском игры.

Кстати есть вопрос - а вот Вы готовы выделить средства на работу в этом направлении, например на приобретение мне ТИРа?

Если каждый скинет Хрюксу хотя бы по 150-200 рублей, думаю такую сумму можно собрать.

[turliga]

Если каждый скинет Хрюксу хотя бы по 150-200 рублей, думаю такую сумму можно собрать.

Да запросто, куда?. Там тогда на 2 ТИР соберем , и еще на Headjoy. чтоб тоже глюки ихние убирать.

[Hruks]

Да запросто, куда?. Там тогда на 2 ТИР соберем , и еще на Headjoy. чтоб тоже глюки ихние убирать.

На 2й не надо, надо на 4й, так как преимущества очевидны
2х тоже не надо. А вот Headjoy это неплохая идея.
Тогда можно полноценное сравнение устроить. Фактически все способы обзора своими "руками пощупать" получится Ну кроме мышки на затылок... Бррр.

А на счёт куда - разве это проблема? Вопрос кто

[Oleg_Tr]

А на счёт куда - разве это проблема? Вопрос кто

Так ты скажи, куда...

[VadNik]

Согласен учавствовать. Такой же вопрос. Куда...?

[turliga]

На 2й не надо, надо на 4й, так как преимущества очевидны
2х тоже не надо. А вот Headjoy это неплохая идея.
Тогда можно полноценное сравнение устроить. Фактически все способы обзора своими "руками пощупать" получится Ну кроме мышки на затылок... Бррр.

А на счёт куда - разве это проблема? Вопрос кто

Я имел ввиду 2 штуки
А, HeadJoy - GO, вообще презентовать его должен Hruksу. Раз с прогой, фича работает.
Ну да г. Владивасток. Hruksу до востребования (на деревню дедушке)

[Bond.K]

На 2й не надо, надо на 4й, так как преимущества очевидны
2х тоже не надо. А вот Headjoy это неплохая идея.
Тогда можно полноценное сравнение устроить. Фактически все способы обзора своими "руками пощупать" получится Ну кроме мышки на затылок... Бррр.

А на счёт куда - разве это проблема? Вопрос кто

Headjoy могу презентовать. Адриск пиши в личку.
У меня он как раз лишний валяется.

[turliga]

Headjoy могу презентовать. Адриск пиши в личку.
У меня он как раз лишний валяется.

Во, нищие вирпилы , запаслись разными фичами, да еще и в N количестве. ( у меня дядя, на гуталинной фабрике работает, у него этого гуталина: вот и шлет кому попало" Матроскин из мультика)
Вообще, GO ему должен новый, презентовать. Да еще настроенный нормально, а не как Гаджеты рассылають, собрали и послали, без ОТК- как какие заморочки, это у вас руки кривые, а у нас все работало.

[Bond.K]

Во, нищие вирпилы , запаслись разными фичами, да еще и в N количестве. ( у меня дядя, на гуталинной фабрике работает, у него этого гуталина: вот и шлет кому попало" Матроскин из мультика)
Вообще, GO ему должен новый, презентовать. Да еще настроенный нормально, а не как Гаджеты рассылають, собрали и послали, без ОТК- как какие заморочки, это у вас руки кривые, а у нас все работало.

Не все вирпилы нищие.

Камрад GO никому ничего не должен.

HJ у меня рабочий. Шаманить с бубном для его настройки не трэба.
Отдав его Hruksу, я таким образом хочу выразить ему свою благодарность за его работу для вирпильского сообщества.