Int. Dev. Team needs your help

[1stWulf]

Hi @all

i´m Wulf and i´m representing a international non profit developer group for Falcon4.

You can visit as: http://www.freefalcon.com/

Now to the request:

I need your help with a area effect weapon: RBK-500 BetAB (i donґt know the russian designation).
I know from the BetAB-500 Shp this is a special anti runway bomb but :

What is the damage effect from the RBK-500 BetAB? The RBK designation means a cluster bomb - right?
But what does the bomblets? What is the target for the RBK-500 BetAB? Does this weapon destroy buildings or roads or what???

We need this information for a correct modelling in the new FF2-patch. All informations welcome!

Thanks

Wulf

[Stardust]

Yep, RBK means Razovaya Bombovaya Kasseta which actually means in english just "cluster bomb".

This is NOT "BetAB" bomblets on the image actually just antitank bomblets CPBE-D.
But I don't know nothing about BetAB bomblets unfortunately.
Image from www.airwar.ru

[1stWulf]

Hi Stardust,

thanks for your reply.

Maybe that we could contact the manufacturer?
Did you know who is the manufacturer?

Wulf

[Stardust]

Originally posted by 1stWulf

Maybe that we could contact the manufacturer?
Did you know who is the manufacturer?

Wulf

Manufacturer of SPBE-D bomblet is NPO "Bazalt" as far as I remenber. Don't sure the same manufacturer of BetAB though...
Actually I never heard about BetAB bomblet before. That does not meats it not exist of course.
I'll try to find something about...

2 всем реальным пилотам:
Не подскажите ли, существуют ли кассеты БетАБ для РБК-500? И если да, то может что-нибудь про их действие и характеристики расскажете?

[KACATKA]

we should ask Mr Flogger

[1stWulf]

we should ask Mr Flogger

Yeh - this would be fine.

Every help is welcome

Thanks for your help towarischtsch


sources from the RBK-500 BetAB:
try: www.google.com and search for the RBK-500 BetAB
You will find a lot of links

Regards

Wulf

[flogger]

Можно спросить и м.flogger`a (Серега,из меня мистер как из тебя балерина)..
Итак...(переведите ему,плз,на английский...)

Производит сие изделие(РБК-500У с разными боевыми элементами ФГУП "ГНПП "Базальт";Россия,105085,Москва,Вельяминовская ул.,д.32

РБК-500У:унифицированная разовая бомбовая кассета кал.500кг.
Длинна,мм:2500
Диаметр,мм: 450
Имеет следующие типы снаряжения:
1)РБК-500У ОАБ-2,5РТ-снаряжается осколочными элементами.Предназначена для поражения легкоуязвимой техники и живой силы,в окопах,траншеях и на открытой местности. Подрыв элементов-надповерхностный.
Масса,кг: 500
Кол-во БЭ(боевых элементов в кассете),шт: 126
Режим применения:
высота,м:100-20000
скорость,км/ч: 500-2000
2)РБК-500У Бетаб-М-снаряжается бетонобойными БЭ.Предназначена для поражения ВПП и магистральных дорог(рулежных дорожек).
Масса,кг:500
Кол-во БЭ,шт: 10
Режим применения:
высота,м:30-16000
скорость,км/ч: 500-2000

...есть еще РБК-500У Офаб-50УД;РБК-500У ПТАБ и РБК-500У СПБЭ...Надо-напечатаю.

Удачи!

[Lionet]

Translation.

RBK-500U (unified).
Length, mm: 2500.
Diameter, mm: 450.

Manufacturer: FGUP "GNPP Bazalt". Russia, 105085, Moscow, Velyaminovskaya st., 32.

Variants:

1. RBK-500U OAB-2,5RT. Fragmentation bomblets. Used to destroy personnel and lightly armored vehicles.
Weight, kg: 500.
Number of bomblets: 126.
Alt, m: 100 - 20 000.
Speed, kmh: 500 - 2 000.

2. RBK-500U BetAB. Used to destroy runways and taxiways.
Weight, kg: 500.
Number of bomblets: 10.
Alt, m: 30 - 16 000.
Speed, kmh: 500 - 2 000.

There are also variants with anti-tank, HE, HE-fragmentation bomblets.

[KACATKA]

Originally posted by 1stWulf
Yeh - this would be fine.

Every help is welcome

Thanks for your help towarischtsch


sources from the RBK-500 BetAB:
try: www.google.com and search for the RBK-500 BetAB
You will find a lot of links

Regards

Wulf

appreciate your sence of humor..

But you see... the problem is that Mr Flogger is not Mr Google

Mr Flogger is much better!

read his answer and the following translation above..

Mr Flogger is the best specialist in this area. You should really invite him in your team and pay.. ya-ya..pay him a lot of money.

But I wouldn't do it actually, because he will drink all his money off.. even though he's got a family of 9...

p.s. that's just a joke
I hope you got your answer from Kolya Flogger.. =)

[Chizh]

To KACATKA

[flogger]

Я,я,натюрлих!!! Давайте денег-но я все равно пропью все,не глядя на семейство%-)))
Серега,блин...Ославил на всю ивановскую..Лучше не появляйся-пришибу(не глядя на гиннесс) )))

[Biotech]

[1stWulf]

@Kacatka:

It was no joke with google
It was for Stardust:

Actually I never heard about BetAB bomblet before

He could use google to find any informations about the RBK-500 BetAB.

But you are right: Mr Flogger ist really better than google

You should really invite him in your team

Everyone is free to join into the group. But be aware: all this stuff is for free! Wer are only fans of Falcon4 and we make this for all fans of Falcon4. No profit here guys

@Lionet
Spasibo sa twajц pereweditje
(Thanks for your translation)

@flogger
you was flown a MIG-23 before?
If yes - i should rename my nickname. I was flown the AN-2 for 4 years (13 years before) in the east german NVA (TAS-45) :p

did you know the difference between RBK-500 BetAB and the BetAB-500 Shp.
Is the BetAB-500 Shp used against bigger runways (greater warhead=deeper crater).
And the RBK-500 Shp for little runways ( 10 bomblets = little warhead = little crater)? Could this be correct?

Regards

Wulf

[flogger]

@1stWulf:

Нет,я не пилот И на МиГ-23 не летал.

Да,я знаю разницу между Бетаб-500ШП и РБК-500У Бетаб.
Вы в принципе правильно сказали о назначении за небольшим исключением:Бетаб-500ШП предназначена в первую очередь для уничтожения различных типов подземных укреплений и КП управления.
А кассета РБК-500У Бетаб как раз для атаки ВПП предназначена..Да и не такая уж и маленькая у этих суббоеприпасов боевая часть.

[KACATKA]

translation

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No, I am not a pilot. I never flew MiG-23

Yes, I know the difference between 500ShP and 500U

You, basically, correctly said about their purpose with small exception - 500ShP is mainly for destroying different types of underground structures and command centeres, while the cassete 500U is for destroying of runways.

And, btw, the warhead is not as small as you can think

******

Cheers!

By the way.. We call An-2 in Russai - KUKURUZNIK (KOOKOORUZNICK)

KUKURUZA is corn

So, better leave you current callsing

[1stWulf]

thanks KACATKA for the translation (i wasnґt sure about the last words ;-))

We have called "Anna" or "Anjuschka"

@ Flogger

thats very important!!!
(We have modelled the weapon effect false)

If i understand correct it means :

The BetAB500 Shp is a bunker buster comparable with the american GBU-27/28

and the

RBK-500 BetAB should be modelled as anti runway bomb (comparable with the american BLU-107)

Flogger, could you publish your sources?


@all : i wish to name you in our credits. How should i call you?
"My russian friends" or
"Sukhoi Falcon4 group"
or your callsigns
or whatever

Wulf

[1stWulf]

thanks Lionet too

[KACATKA]

call us simple.. 7IAP
Chizh, Flogger, Lionet, Stardust, Kasatka we are all from 7AIP (www.7iap.ru)

P.S. Anjushka is a female name .. from Anna... so I am sure it is not quite right to use it for you

[1stWulf]

P.S. Anjushka is a female name .. from Anna... so I am sure it is not quite right to use it for you

I meant : we have called our airplane (AN-2) "Anjuschka"
My callsign (sh)could be : Anton or Antonowtschik or......

call us simple.. 7IAP

will do

Wulf

[flogger]

Нас не зовут-мы обычно сами приходим (шутка)

@1stWulf:

Хм..Думаю с американской "бункербастер" скорей можно сравнить КАБ-1500Л-Пр..Или даже КАБ-500Кр.
Дело в том,что у нас несколько разный подход был в этом отношении.
Бетаб-500шп сравнима по принципу действия с "Дюрандалем".По "рекламе" способна пробить до 550мм брони,3м грунта или 1,2м ж/б. При попадании на ВПП разрушает покрытие на площади 50м2.
Просто я не в курсе,бомбят ли "Дюрандалями" обьекты типа дот например,или еще чего-нить не очень сильно "заглубленное",а вот Бетабом- самое оно.
Но это никак не "бункербастер"-сравните с КАБ-1500Л-Пр,которая до 20м в грунт "зарывается,и БЧ у которой больше тонны.
А вот РБК-500У Бетаб-"чисто" для ВПП штучка создана.

[KACATKA]

Wulf, translation for you:

Hm.. I think, that american bunker buster can be compared with KAB-1500L-Pr.. or.. even with KAB-500Kr
You see, we (in Russia, he talks on behalf of Ministry of Defence now, rem of kasatka ) have another approach in this respect.

Beta-500ShP is like Durandel (spelling?). In public sources it is able to breach up to 550mm of the armour, 3 m of ground or 1.2m of reinforced concrete. When it hits a ranway it destroys the surface equal to 50 sq metres.

I am just not sure whether 'they' use Durandels to bomb targets like pillbox, for example, or something else not very deep buried. But i am sure that Beta-500ShP is for these types of targets.

But it is not a bunker buster at all. - Just compare it with KAB-1500L-Pr, which buries itself into the ground on 20m, and warhead is more than 1 tonn.

And RBK-500U Betab is created merely for ranways

[1stWulf]

Thx KACATKA

@Flogger

I think we should use the model from the BLU-109/GBU-24 (penetrator) for the BetaAB-500 Shp.

Can you say: what does the following designation mean:

Pr
Kr
OD

Thanks

Wulf

[flogger]

Pr-penetrating warhead( or HE penetrating)
Kr- затрудняюсь сейчас ответить(переведите плиз)
OD- fuel-air explosive warhead.

[Begemoth]

Kr- TVGuided http://www.airwar.ru/weapon/ab/kab-500kr.html

[KACATKA]

yes

Kr - from "Korrektirujemaya" - Guided (corrected) by TV