Hey guys, I'm building a campaign right now, but need some help with speechpacks....

[PBNA-Boosher]

If Naryv finishes the Po-2 cockpit, i'm planning this campaign. I hope it interests you guys. However, my problem is that if there is no female Russian speechpack, it may seem a bit odd. Do you guys think you might be able to help out. It would work basically like the Polish RAF squadrons do. When the 586 IAP, 587 BAP, or 588 NBAP (also 125 GvBAP and 46 GvNBAP) are selected, the voices will be female. But for any other Russian squadron, the voices will be male.


here is the basic background for the campaign's main pilot: YOU!

The year is 1941. Your name is Tamara Borisova. You and 200 other female pilots from across the country of the USSR have banded together at Engels (north of Stalingrad) to form the 588th NBAP (588th Night Bomber Squadron) Everything about this squadron is female. The pilots, the navigators, the office staff, and even the mechanics, are all female. Even though you were a skilled flight instructor with more than 2500 hours at the time you signed up to join the regiment, you have been selected to work on the office staff. But this does not mean that you will not fly comabat. You will be trained hard, like all the other women pilots, and if you keep your wits about you, you can possibly survive the war until May 2nd, 1945, when the now decorated 46th Taman Guards Night Bomber Regiment was disbanded.

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I hope this interests you guys. However, I'm going to ask you a few questions. It will be a long, 150-200 mission campaign. It will take you from the start of training at Engels, to the final moment when the squadron was disbanded on May 2nd, 1945. You will be flying a number of different types of missions. Recon, harrasssment bombing, front line evac, troop morale, etc... In your exploits you will meet many different people who think that women should not fly, and you will have to prove them wrong. You will have to evade groundfire, spotlights, and fighters in a plane that is made of wood and fabric, and travels slower than some cars. The majority of your missions will be at night, with nothing to guide you except your map, and a good sense of direction.

Now that you know this, I'll give you the lowdown on what I have organized so far.

I have planned the first 12 missions of the campaign, which are your training missions. It uses the Stalingrad map, and you will be flying in the square between sectors N16, R16, R12, and N12. Four of these 12 training missions will be daylight missions, to get you used to the airplane. the other eight will be night missions for practice.

However, this all depends on whether the Po-2 makes it in the game as flyable, which at the moment it looks like it will. I will also be doing a short series of Online coops around this subject so that you can try it with human players. I assure you it will be very hard, but very rewarding.

Please, post some ideas if you have any here, and I'll try to implement them as best I can. I'd also love to hear feedback from you guys. Hopefully I can get the cooperation of Extreme_One for some help when I need it. Overall, I think it will be one hell of a fun project, and in the end, you will come out with an even greater respect for these women who risked everything for the defense of their motherland.
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Here is the log for the 12 training missions of my campaign, in an outlined order. I will shortly be putting up a map of what the training area will look like, then you shall fully see what I mean.
Small tidbit of info: (When it says no-fly zone, it means that there are AAA units training in that area, and they will fire upon you if you enter their sectors.)
Now, this practice may seem boring, BUT, when the campaign is finally ready, I would advise you to use them, because night flying, especially in FB, is very hard. You will have 4 Day missions, and 8 night missions with which to train in. use them well.

Mission Overview: Part 1- Training at Engels

Mission 1:Daytime- 13:52 hrs- attack targets at sector N12. (learning about bombing accuracy)

Mission 2: Daytime- 08:27 hrs- Navigation skills training. Travel to sector P16, attack targets, then land back at airfield.

Mission 3: Nighttime- 02:27 hrs- Same as mission #1, with the added challenge of night flying.

Mission 4: Nighttime- 00:13 hrs- Same as mission #2, but with the challenge of flying at night.

Mission 5: Daytime- 11:06 hrs- practice recon, sector Q12. (Beware of no-fly zone in R12)

Mission 6: Nighttime- 23:52 hrs- Night recon practice, sector R13. (Beware of no-fly zone in R12, do not harm friendly infantry encampment, sector R13)

Mission 7: Nighttime- 21:42 hrs- low-alt. navigation by waypoints and landmarks. (Beware no-fly zones in O15, R15, R12)

Mission 8: Nighttime- 02:16 hrs- low alt. Night recon practice, sector P14.

Mission 9: Daytime- 09:47 hrs- Attack small docks in sector N16. (Beware no-fly zone in sector O15)

Mission 10: Nighttime- 03:54 hrs- Same as mission #9, but with the added challenge of night flying in poor weather.

Mission 11: Nighttime- 22:12 hrs- Bad weather flight and navigation. Thunderstorms, high winds. (beware of no-fly zones in sectors R12, R15, and O15)

Mission 12:Hooray! Your check ride!Horrible thunderstorms and heavy winds. Navigate in the darkness, attack targets in sector P16. (Watch for no-fly zones in sectors R15, R12, and O15)

here's the map for Part 1: Training at Engels

http://www.photodump.com/direct/Boosher/Training_at_engels.jpg
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[Radik]

А перевести, или саму суть коротко?

[Maximus_G]

Just tried to make my girlfriend scream... oh no, sounds pity... the present generation is too delicate... :)

Gotta find a bigger woman :D

[Bren]

Дык эта...По-2 летабельного еще нет...и вроде бы не обещали.
А кампания-вот она,на подходе. %)

[Satori]

А перевести, или саму суть коротко?

Парень написал сценарий оффлайн компании для легкого бомбардировщика По-2, если доделают кокпит для него, как посулил Naryv, и включат в патч, если патчи еще будут.
Но у него проблемы с озвучкой. Нет русского женского голоса для пилотов.
По сценарию, некая Тамара Борисова начинает путь в 588-м полку ночных бомбардировщиков. Компания из 150-200 миссий. Первые 12 - обучение, дальше она начинает делать немцам много больших и маленьких гадостей.
Это если кратко.

[Serp]

Парень написал сценарий оффлайн компании для легкого бомбардировщика По-2, если доделают кокпит для него, как посулил Naryv, и включат в патч, если патчи еще будут.
Но у него проблемы с озвучкой. Нет русского женского голоса для пилотов.
По сценарию, некая Тамара Борисова начинает путь в 588-м полку ночных бомбардировщиков. Компания из 150-200 миссий. Первые 12 - обучение, дальше она начинает делать немцам много больших и маленьких гадостей.
Это если кратко.
То есть он просто ищет женщину?.. :rolleyes: :)
Знаю я одну... Тамару Борисовну... %)

[Maximus_G]

Дык попробуйте поизвращаться с ней и микрофоном :)

[vadson]

I think it would be quite difficult for a player to stare 200 hours at the dark screen...
Night missions in AEP are not playable... IMHO
So afer this campaign one should go directly to the ophthalmologist, and spend misarable rest of his life half-blind.

[Satori]

Он не только ищет озвучку, но просит идей для реализации миссий.
Полеты-то ночью. А требуется бомбить колонны, здания и прочее, причем так, чтобы было интересно. Требуется мастерство полетов в темноте и ориентировке. Для фанатов, короче.

[PBNA-Boosher]

I wish I could translate it into Russian for you guys. I'd be learning it but I have no spare time, and my school doesn't offer it as a course. Anyway, if you have any questions about the campaign, etc... Just ask them here, I'll be able to answer them for you. It is still a work in progress, and I haven't even started on the mission building yet. As said above, it will be very challenging, but also incredibly rewarding.

I am also not making the missions up from scratch. I am using as much historical data as I can. I'm using Anne Noggle's book, "A Dance With Death," which is about the 3 female squadrons of the VVS, for historical information. The front lines will move historically, AND, I will be modeling partisan hideouts in the front line scenarios, so if your plane is too damaged to make it back to the front lines, you can land inside the partisan territory and you can get back to base for the next mission instead of being captured. I've thought this out very thoroughly and it should be very immersive. Again, if you have any questions, ask them here.

[vadson]

By the way, so far I have not seen any good quality campaign for VVS made by foreigners (means those born and grown outside Russia).
The campaignes I have seen lack good historical accuracy and understanding of communist/soviet mentality.
The same would be true if I would made USAAF or RAF campaign. Nothing precious could be created.
I hope your compaign will be quiet differente, but I think you better start from small misson pack (5-10) and show it here. We can then check for mistakes.

[PBNA-Boosher]

I think it would be quite difficult for a player to stare 200 hours at the dark screen...
Night missions in AEP are not playable... IMHO
So afer this campaign one should go directly to the ophthalmologist, and spend misarable rest of his life half-blind.

Oh, they're playable alright. I have tried, and it is very tough, but it can be done. Also, not all of the missions will be night missions, though many of them will be. Since the Po-2 could take off pretty much anywhere, the bases were all very close to the front lines. This meant that they were constantly on the move so that they wouldn't be overrun by the Germans, or so they could keep up with the front lines. Of the 150-200 missions, I'd say that about 45 of them, not including the 4 daylight training missions, will be day missions. Most of them will be either recon, squadr. relocation, or emergency evacuation because the base is about to be overrun or bombed. You'll have fun.

[PBNA-Boosher]

By the way, so far I have not seen any good quality campaign for VVS made by foreigners. I hope your compaign will be quiet differente, but I think you better start from small misson pack (5-10) and show it here. We can then check for mistakes.

I would be honored if you guys would review my missions. Since I am American, I am out of touch with Russian culture and state of mind. I would absolutely love it if you guys helped me out with that. Of course, remember that it all depends on whether Naryv is able to get the Po-2 in game, which, at the moment, looks like a very big possibility.

I do not have any made yet, but I will do some test missions when I get home, which is in about 3 weeks. I will be leaving for a small vacation to visit my cousins in california for 2 weeks, but then I'll be back in full force working on this campaign, and my movie based on Lidiia (Lilya) Litvyak. I love the history of these women and their life stories. Knowing that it is possible to survive throught that kind of hell, and still be the loving, caring people that they now are, I always have had great respect for your people, and still do.

[vadson]

I wish you not to loose your enthusiasm.
Personaly I have made several compaigns for VVS, some were commercialy published, while others were just a dissapointment.
In April I started my next ("another perfect") compaign, but suddenly realised that I cant go on anymore, so I stopped working on it.
From my experience I woul suggest you, if you a beginner in "compaign creation", make a humble begining, and then see the community response.

[PBNA-Boosher]

I was one of the lucky ones that was born with a good campaign creating mind. In fact, the first mission I made, called, "The Governor's Daughter," was kind of funny, but at the same time, a bit challenging. 3 Russian P-39's and 2 American P-40's are to escort an Li-2 carrying the governor of New York's daughter to an airfield near Kursk. She is there to provide morale for two weeks, then she is going home. You have to make sure she gets there alive.

I've been working with the FMB for quite a long time, and am pretty used to it. I know a lot of tips for immersion, in fact, I have them listed in this thread at UBI, maybe they can help you in some of your missions?

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=400102&f=50910533&m=439109375

Anyway. For the quality of the missions you don't have to worry, it will be high, and historical accuracy should be at least 90% there.

[VASILICH]

блин и сюда демоны импортные просочились.

[Maximus_G]

BTW, i don't see any records about U-2 (Po-2) having any kind of radio equipment. If it is really so, then it would be historically correct to make a speechpack ONLY for the rear gunner.
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Не вижу никаких упоминаний о том, что на У-2 были радиостанции. Если это так, то исторически правильным было бы ограничить озвучку только задним стрелком.

[PBNA-Boosher]

Well, it didn't. But then again, many Russian pilots ripped radios out of their own aircraft because some of the sets were barely useable. For example, the radio that equipped the I-16 was horrible, but in FB we still have it. In, "A Dance with Death," none of the pilots from the 46th that were interviewed talk about a radio, and I assume they didn't have one either, however, from the way that they talk about talking between the pilot and the navigator/rear gunner, it seems that they did have some sort of crew intercom. Still, the speechpack would be valuable for placing the 586 IAP and 125 GvBAP squadrons in the game. Besides, if this campaign goes over well, I may do separate campaigns for the 586th and the 125th. We'll just have to see.

[vadson]

Приятно, что вот ведь из америки, а восхищается смелостью русских летчиц и собрался за них делать кампанию.

[PBNA-Boosher]

Why don't I write a sample briefing for you guys, so you can see how close I am to the mentality of a female Russian soldier in the Great Patriotic War.

Briefing: May the 24th, 1942- Small farm, 27 kilometers north of Novorossijsk..

I opened the flap to the briefing tent. Many of the girls are already there, sitting on the ground for lack of food crates to use as chairs. Major Bershanskaya was there at the head of the tent, as usual. She had always been kind to all us. And now especially. It was dusty, but clean. Much cleaner than my dugout. It did not smell in here, though none of us had bathed in many days and nights. Major Bershanskaya spoke up. Several of the girls were hugging and crying. We had suffered a trying loss the night before...
"Good, good my darlings, you are all here. I feared you would be too upset," the Major said. My stomach growled, not because I was hungry, but with the sadness that I remembered from the night before. It always did that, I have never known why. Several of the girls near me, including my friend Nadia looked at me. Her cheeks shined in the dim light of the briefing tent. She had been crying. I looked over at Irina, she was the most shaken of us all...
"Irina," Major Bershanskaya walked over to her and knelt down next to her. "You were very brave last night."
Images flashed through my mind. A Po-2 fluttered in the distance, slowly drawing in. I had already completed my flight, and my navigator that night, Alexandra Akimova, who I do not normally fly with, was reporting the mission status. As the slow biplane floated into the light, I heard the engine sputtering, coughing. With a last, trying attempt, the engine brought the propeller around one last time, before it died and the plane fell three meters onto the soft ground. I saw Irina white with shock, and the body she held back to keep it from falling on the flight stick. It was Dusya Nosal, with a bullet straight through her temple. Her eyes were wide, and her mouth hung open in shock...
I was brought back to the present, and doubled over crying. I had not known Dusya well, but how could it be that someone should die that way? I looked again over at Irina, who too was crying. Major Bershanskaya was talking to the regiment. Now my face glistened with tears in the pale light of the tent, but I had to listen to tonight's briefing.
"Nyet, my children, do not cry." she said calmly to us. "We have a chance to avenge our Dusya tonight. There is a small army encampment near Novorossijsk which will be filled with German soldiers. There will be many officers there with their underlings. They will not expect an attack after the show they put up last night, da? Most of their troops will have already gone to sleep. Remember to keep your altitude at six-hundred meters. We don't want any mistakes like last night, do we Sasha?"
The major looked at one of our newer pilots, and my head turned too. Sasha looked down at the ground. She had flown in at three hundred meters and dropped her bombs. Her plane was almost completely engulfed in the flames, but miraculously, she and her navigator Tanya made it through alright. They were caught by groundfire afterward, however, and managed to put the plane down just after passing our front lines.
"Now, girls, the weather is not as clear as it was last night. It will be a bit hazy down by the port tonight, so don't go below our bombing altitude. Also, the clouds are low tonight, so be careful. I recieved word from fighter command today that the skies should be clear of enemy activity tonight. Our Yak fighters have done their job today. Never the less, be careful, ladies. On your maps, the army camp will be in sector H13, alright? During the last recon flight over the area, it seems that the Germans have lit large fires. We think they are burning files that they have captured. But let them burn, da? For then we shall have light to see them by... Oh! And before I forget to tell you, stay out of map sectors K13, K12, H12, and I14 tonight. Our AAA units are on full alert and will fire at anything they see."
Everyone in the room weakly smiled. We had a chance for our revenge. We would take it to heart. The briefing was dismissed, and I went up to the table at the front of the tent to see who my navigator was for the night. I ran my finger down the list to find my name, and looked to the right. It was there in Major Bershanskaya's handwriting. I was flying with Irina tonight. I walked over to her. She was still crying. The girls left the tent one by one, and went to get their planes ready for tonight's flight. I had no way to express my sorrow for Irina. So, as best I could with my bulky mens' flight suit on, I hugged her. We cried on each other's shoulders', and waited for our opportunity to take our revenge that night...
(written by PBNA-Boosher)
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Objectives:
-Harass the german encampment in map sector H13. With luck you may hit the officers barracks.

-Our AAA units are on full alert tonight, and any plane that flies through their sectors (K13, K12, H12, I14) will be fired upon.

-Watch our lines well. If your plane is damaged, try to land either behind our front lines, or in Partisan territory. The Partisans will see you back safely, as they always do.

[Das_Reich]

2Boosher
Sorry, got as far as the "the night before".
Have you seen the "I, Robot" movie? A-a-acho-o-o-o!!! I'm sorry, I'm alergic to bull$hit.
No offence, but that is exactly what it is.
Few points to take into consideration:
The bathing part. There has been no women uniform. Yet they took what they had and redone it to fit and still look beautiful. That wasn't an African desert - lots of water everywhere.
Can write forever... Yet that is not the point. The point is - they were Soldiers. Just as 14 y.o. kids that had firearms in their hands. They fought not because they were made to. They FOUGHT to get to the front to FIGHT. THAT is the major point.
I regret the fact that there is a major shortage of the books on the topic in English. I wish I had time to translate some...
Where are you in the US? I live in the Chicagoland area, might be we could talk that over, either in person, or by phone, or e-mail, or whatever - not the AOL messenger though :)

[PBNA-Boosher]

I suggest you pick up the book, "A Dance With Death," Das Reich. Many of the girls clearly state that they wore male uniforms. Yes, they do say that they refit them, but the flight jackets and flight suits were things that were hard to alter. Many women of the 46th still were wearing their male uniforms by 1944. Remember that this briefing is written for the beginning of their campaigns in 1942. The flight suits issued at that time were all male, there was no such thing as a female flight suit.

Take a look at this photograph: http://pratt.edu/~rsilva/images/witches.jpg (the image is a bit stretched)

About the bathing. yes, there was water everywhere, but you didn't just wander off of the base to take a bath or a shower. At this point in the campaign, they were not stationed very near any water facilities. Some of the mechanics who tell their stories in "A Dance With Death" tell of how they would use the water from puddles on the airfields to bathe. However, this was not very often. And during front line conditions, it was not a major concern.

Yes, I do agree with you, they were soldiers, and they did fight at the front. But they had their own style. All I can do is try to mimic it as best I could. The reason why I decided to use that specific day is because when glancing through "A Dance with Death," I saw the name Dusya Nosal appear and read about what happened. I then organized a mission briefing around the historical facts, and tried to keep it as historical as possible. While they don't give the exact date of its happening. Dusya Nosal was shot in the temple during a mission in May-June over Novorossijsk. Her navigator, Irina Kashirina pulled Dusya's body off of the flightstick and flew the damaged plane home. Irina perished in combat a few weeks later. Also, Dusya Nosal was one of the first casualties that the 46th dealt with. She was also a very highly decorated soldier, and was pretty much well liked and respected by everyone. Therefore, they had to deal with the shock of combat and combat losses. These are not men, these are women, and women deal with things differently than men do. Just because you cry does not mean you are weak. Also, remember that this is a sample briefing, not the briefing for every flight. So it will be different for each mission, but in this same 1st person point of view, using the same character.

So, if you really are allergic to BS, I suggest you look at your post again. You may find you'll catch pneumonia.

[Das_Reich]

Useless, totally :)
Wait for a few more posts and "By the way, so far I have not seen any good quality campaign for VVS made by foreigners (means those born and grown outside Russia)."(c)Vadson (BTW - He IS good)

Come to Moscow one day, I'll arrange a meeting with my grandmother - Serebriakova Marija Fedorovna - decorated sergeant of the Moscow PVO (see those barrage balloons? That's hers :)). She'll tell you a couple of thing about defending YOUR city, about running away from hospital to get to where you are needed, regardless of the fact that your arm has been cut open the night before. You will never understand that point of view, just as you will never understand our mentality, our culture, or our way of life. I am sure that the virtual pilots on this side of the Atlantic Ocean will adore your work ;)
As for the flight suits - do you think that those on the pic are inappropriate for flying open cockpit in the middle of a winter? BTW, the surviving female pilots are the members of the Women In Aviation http://www.wai.org/ - some of them were present on this year's annual conference, hopefully they will also attend the next one. Go talk to them, that is way better than reading a book. Oh, and yeah, Americans know Drama, just as HBO does :rolleyes:

[PBNA-Boosher]

Whoa, hang on. I just realized what I started. Flame Wars... I've had enough of those on the UBI forums... No need for them here.

Let's start this over again. Hi, I'm PBNA-Boosher. What should I change in that briefing to make it seem more... hmm.. Patriotic (in terms of Russia in the '40's.)

Thank you for the link to Women in Aviation. I'll definitely see what I can do there. As for me traveling to Moscow, as much as I'd love to. I can't. I'm 17 years old. (Although many people say my mind is older.)
I do know that I will never understand what it is like when a foreigner invades my homeland. And for good reason too. Nobody has invaded the USA in about 100 years, save a few terrorists with pilots licenses. I know I will never be able to recreate the anger, the sorrow, and the passion for your country as well as someone who has experienced it. But I still try, because its something I want to feel as well.

I do admit, even though you did say, "no offense," I took in plenty. But that was because this was some writing of mine that took me about an hour to write in total. It is not perfect, it is still a work in progress. And I do admit the reason I posted it here was so that I could try to emulate the patriotism of the Russians as well as possible with you guys' help. I just wish you didn't put it so harshly. It's like if you saw a brand new mother and her baby, and you told her that the baby was "The ugliest thing you'd ever seen." how would the mother react?

Anyway, please, let's keep the criticism as positive as possible, and let's improve my sample briefing to the point where it is no longer pseudo-Russian, but Russian in spirit.

Possibly you and I, and a few others can work on this campaign together to make it the best it possibly could be. I knew I would never complete this on my own, and I knew it would be a sh!tty campaign if I didn't get some help from the Russians themselves, particularly on that speechpack.

So I hope the flame war has ended, and let's get to work!

[crazyivan]

Das Reich. Are you ok man? What`s up with the hostility? Wake up brother, cold war is over. All Boosher wanted is some help, feedback and suggestions.... Shame on you :D

[PBNA-Boosher]

That may be true Ivan, but the way I reacted certainly provoked something to happen.

[crazyivan]

That may be true Ivan, but the way I reacted certainly provoked something to happen.

Good ole Boosher, something never changes :D But still, what`s up with stereotypes... i hate that.

[PBNA-Boosher]

I wrote a story about stereotypes actually. But it has to do with an American soldier, something I knew about. It's also quite gory. I wouldn't post it on a forum.

And BTW, he was right. American Drama for the most part sucks. However, I do some acting in school plays and musicals, and I have to say I met some of the most inspiring people of my life. But I don't want to get too OT here.

[Das_Reich]

Ok, sorry about the "charge of the rhinos" part %)
It just felt as if someone came to that mother character of yours and said "Look at all the sorrow in this unspoiled child's eyes... He sees the world, Our World, and looks at his mother as if he was saying "You shouldn't have given me a birth". Woe, woe on us!!!". I hate that "We know Drama"(c)HBO thing for a number of reasons, main of which being - the reality is much more touching, appealing, and can be related to.
Anyway. As long as there is a will to co-operate something good may come out of it :)
If you do want to make the campaign of your life - as historical as possible, as real as it gets, and the one that would deserve a round of applause - I'm sure that many people here, including myself, will try to help. Cheer up, for what you plan to do has never been done by a foreigner ;)

[PBNA-Boosher]

In fact, Das Reich, this is exactly what I plan to do. It will be a community project, from the briefings, through the mission planning, all the way up to the speechpack!! I knew I couldn't do this alone. I know my mission building skills are very adequate, and with your guys help this campaign will be the bomb! (american expression) Thanks guys!

[LordLexus]

I have an access to the professional sound equipment, can write down any voice and make his sounding corresponding, with noise, effects. Only the text is necessary. And certainly, I can find the Russian girl! :) So, I'm ready to help.

[=PUH=DimoN]

Стопка,ты чего так на амера наехал?..чувачёк просит хэльп.....зачем сеять зерно раздора в простой озвучке?не надо
я,есессно, не настолько обладаю инглишем,чтоб врубиться во всё что вы там написали....но кое-что понял.Пофиг что он амер,пофиг что он не знает НАС,Русских,....но он за это взялся и просит НАШЕЙ помощи! тем более c feedback'ом он ,думаю, нас не обломит, если мы ему накатаем про бриф...мол там не то,там не то-исправь!...я думаю он откликнется на все наши просьбы и сделает необходимые поправки...hope so
ps это ни в коем разе не наезд там..или впрягаловки за какоса...просто....некоторым ведь эти компании могут пригодиться!и чем они будут лучше сделаны-тем лучше:)

[LordLexus]

Правильно, Димон! А ты, будешь официальным бета-тестером! :)

[=PUH=DimoN]

ага :p слушать бабские крики? :D :D :D
я их каждый вечер слышу..тока в стиле "ГДЕ ТЫ БЫЛ?" %) :rolleyes:

[PBNA-Boosher]

LordLexus, that's great! I can't wait to hear it. Keep me updated on progress, and if you need any help, either ask for it here, or e-mail me at:

boosh at kbuch.com

This is really pulling together guys! Thanks so much! I knew I could count on you to help bring this community an extroardinary campaign based on the lives of the miraculous women of the 46th GvNBAP!

[=PUH=DimoN]

Boosher, u'll have to wait for a while...LLexus is a business man..he have not so much free time to spend it to make samples
BUT...how do u want to make the LLexus's samples work in the game?.....by killing default samples? how?

как он их собирается запихнуть в игру? :o заменив стандартные сэмплы на женские?....хммм....

[PBNA-Boosher]

Well, I thought it could be organized to work like the Polish RAF squadrons we have in game. The way they work is that when, say the Polish 303 squadron is selected, the Polish speechpack is used, BUT, when a regular RAF squadron is selected, the normal UK speechpack is in place. So I figured that when the 586 IAP, the 587 BAP/125th GvBAP, or the 588th NBAP/46th GvNBAP is selected, the female Russian speechpack will be used, but if another squadron, say the 3rd IAK is selected, a male Russian speechpack will be used. Can you see what I'm aiming at?

If LLexus has other things to do, that's fine. Remember that this campaign could go either way, and it all depends on whether the Po-2 makes it into the game as flyable. At the moment it looks like it will, but it could just as easily be cancelled, no matter how good it looks already. However, it would still be nice to get the female squadrons in the game using this speechpack. Do you think it's do-able?

[PBNA-Boosher]

It's okay, don't worry about it. We know you meant no harm. I said a few unjust things myself. But it's over with.

[=PUH=DimoN]

Well, I thought it could be organized to work like the Polish RAF squadrons we have in game. The way they work is that when, say the Polish 303 squadron is selected, the Polish speechpack is used, BUT, when a regular RAF squadron is selected, the normal UK speechpack is in place. So I figured that when the 586 IAP, the 587 BAP/125th GvBAP, or the 588th NBAP/46th GvNBAP is selected, the female Russian speechpack will be used, but if another squadron, say the 3rd IAK is selected, a male Russian speechpack will be used. Can you see what I'm aiming at?
i think i c


If LLexus has other things to do, that's fine. Remember that this campaign could go either way, and it all depends on whether the Po-2 makes it into the game as flyable. At the moment it looks like it will, but it could just as easily be cancelled, no matter how good it looks already. However, it would still be nice to get the female squadrons in the game using this speechpack. Do you think it's do-able?
can i c the screenshots of the already done Po2 cockpit..?..i think it would be interesting 4 many of us ...like me :)

Ps.sorry 4 my english...im only 17yo..i've studying it by my self mostly :cool:

[LordLexus]

Well, I thought it could be organized to work like the Polish RAF squadrons we have in game. The way they work is that when, say the Polish 303 squadron is selected, the Polish speechpack is used, BUT, when a regular RAF squadron is selected, the normal UK speechpack is in place. So I figured that when the 586 IAP, the 587 BAP/125th GvBAP, or the 588th NBAP/46th GvNBAP is selected, the female Russian speechpack will be used, but if another squadron, say the 3rd IAK is selected, a male Russian speechpack will be used. Can you see what I'm aiming at?
4 me it's clear.


If LLexus has other things to do, that's fine. Remember that this campaign could go either way, and it all depends on whether the Po-2 makes it into the game as flyable. At the moment it looks like it will, but it could just as easily be cancelled, no matter how good it looks already. However, it would still be nice to get the female squadrons in the game using this speechpack. Do you think it's do-able?
Be sure, speechpack will be done. Even if there will be no Po-2, it could be used for other campaigns...

[PBNA-Boosher]

Thanks guys! Here are the shots of the Po-2 as last posted on June 3rd 2004, and Naryv still says it's in progress:

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=23479

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=23484

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=23485

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=23486

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=23487

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=23488

Hope you like it!

[AirDog]

One more biplane in the game, sounds good!

[SL PAK]

16 VVS Female pilots, of the 586th Fighter Regiment and the 588th Night Bomber Regiment/46th Guards Bomber Aviation Regiment the "Night Witches" pilots skins for Forgotten Battles.
http://www.leigh-kemp.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Acepilots.htm

[=38=IndiaOscar]

To PBNA-Boosher

Thanks for taking your time to create this campaign. Hopefully flyable Po-2 will finally materialise. Personally, I was missing it as well as flyable Li-2/ DC-3 since day one ;)

During the war my girlfriend's grandma was flying this plane mostly on a liason and weather reporting sorties, not actual combat. Anyways one day she met a Yak pilot who at some point become my girlfriend's grandad :rolleyes:

If anything, please don't hesitate to contact me at info-at-russianaviationarchive.com

Cheers!
=38=IndiaOscar

[Pioneerrr]

Приятно, что вот ведь из америки, а восхищается смелостью русских летчиц и собрался за них делать кампанию.
Феменистки с ума сойдут. Хорошее коммерческое решение. Кроме шуток.

[PBNA-Boosher]

I'm sure I'll have a ton of questions for you, no doubt about it. I'll keep that e-mail address in mind! Thanks!

[deCore]

2 PBNA-Boosher

I really wish you a good luck to complete this. I really like good compiagns inspirited with an interesting background.
Das_Reich was not very gentle but his points were correct, imho.
I'm just trying to be a little more constructive:

1. "none of us had bathed in many days and nights". Infantry could not have bath for several weeks. But VVS was not an infantry, and usually had quite stable airfield bases with all services. And they were women. IMHO, if you want to point to their hard time "several days" would be enough.

2. I'm reading and seeing crying girls. And I really can't understand what are they doing in the briefing tent?
If you think it is important to say that solders were crying, please, let me know why. There should be a reason.
Single loss in the bombers run- it sounds more like a luck than like a tragedy. Bombers had very, very much losses (I really don't know about night bombers: yes, night TB-3 had not much looses, but Po-2 flights was much more dangerous), and this loss itself just can't be a reason. There should be something more...
I suspect it's important for you (by some scenario reasons) to show how shocked Irina was.
May be it's better to leave other girls really "upset" (I can't find a right word) and keep crying only Irina? Ofcourse, it's necessary to give me (a reader) a hint why she was so shocked. May be Dusya was here best friend (or even you can make them sisters)? Then give me a hint, please! Reason like Irina saw here terrible death with here own eyes is not acually a reason. They were solders. They saw many deaths. More, or even more terrible (there was no less terrible death on war). There should be a reason why soldiers cry. And I can't think of any reason but personal. If other girls were shoked- again, why? Only if they loved here personally and for a long time. Again, please, give my a hint if so.
If your point is that was an only loss for many time- it's fantastic, but again, write it and I'll get your point (but never believe it, however...).
BTW, there also must be a reason for a commander to let such an "inadequate" solder like Irina into mission. If major Bershanskaya was so kind as you write she should at least ask Irina can she fly this night or not, imho...

What about men's suit, this detail is quite realistic for me. But if you want to inspirit your company with a charm, include some redone uniform as usual thing in other briefings, please. :)

All other moments give me a hope that compaign will be pretty interesting. Thanks.

[PBNA-Boosher]

I see what you mean DeCore, and thank you for being so constructive! I'll try to implement your suggestions. The reason why I had made Irina and everyone else so shocked was because, in reality, Dusya was not only one of the most respected pilots in the squadron, but also one of the most experienced of the squadron. She was also one of the first of the many female pilots that were KIA during the war. Therefore, many of the girls had not seen bullet wounds up close before this, at least not on their friends. The shock of combat death had just started falling on them.
About Irina, however, the night she came home with Dusya dead in the cockpit, she was given the night off. But the next day, she was back on combat duty just as any regular soldier would be. There was no special leave. I believe she too was KIA a few weeks later as well. Thank you for your comments! Every little bit helps! If you find anything else that could help me Russian-ize this briefing, I'd truly love to hear it!

[Roman Kochnev]

Вроде был неплохой фильм под названием "Ночные ведьмы" (если не ошибаюсь). Ни у кого нет в цифровом виде? Может, есть смысл каким-то образом дать товарисчу посмотреть? Сорри если я с глупостью влезаю, но в фильме не так уж и плохо были показаны характеры, психологический настрой, быт. Понятно, что это - кино, но помочь, возможно, сможет.

[Пахомов]

~S!~from JV44,Boosher! :)
I'm really hapy to see you here with this great idea,i do,Sir ;)I'm really looking forwrd to this great project!
Unfortunately,there's so ridiculously small ammount of time nowadays for me to dedicate to my favorite hobby :(
Hopefully,things'll change soon,and i'll be back to active duty ASAP! :)
Just in case...if you're in trouble how to translate some docs or smthng-i could help you out-just send me a PM via this server
Once again,this is a such a great idea,bro(sorry for being so informal ;) )!Please,keep it up!
Regards :)

[PBNA-Boosher]

Thanks! Okay guys. I've compiled a list of what I'm going to change in the sample briefing. Tell me if it will work or not, and whether you think you'd like this new version better:

What I'll be changing:
-Get rid of the smell comment, they'd be used to it by now.

-They are in the briefing tent to be briefed for their night's mission. I must make that clear.

-As with most of the "airfields" that the Po-2's of the night witches took off from, they were farmsteads, and large pieces of flat land more often than airfields. (Their training did take place at Engels airfield, though) Therefore, the setting is a farm on a road, which will be used for takeoff like a normal runway. I will set up objects, and it will look good. I promise. The farm, thanks to being on the front lines, will be in disrepair.

-Changing "haven't bathed in many days and nights" to "haven't bathed in several days."

-The girls, instead of crying, save for Irina, will be talking and gossiping about the previous night's mission, a few remain silent, but others chatter wildly. Irina is the only one crying. However, the main character will have been closer to Dusya, thus making it a more emotional mission, a reason to cry.

-Uniforms: By this point many of the women were still wearing male uniforms, but I believe now some may have altered theirs. So the crowd of clothing will be mixed, some will have bad stitch jobs, others will look perfect. Some girls will be wearing hats they made out of the extra fabric, others will have made scarves. Etc... Randomness of the uniforms will add to the atmosphere.

-Still living on the farm will be an elderly couple and their grandchild. The couple's sons and other grandchildren either died in Leningrad or fighting at the front. The squadron gives them company, and the couple cooks meals for them in addition to helping provide shelter. They are also a source of conversation in rough times. The grandchild is a boy no older than 11 years. They live in poor conditions, and every time the women take a look at the decrepid state of their living, it gives them renewed strength, another reason to fight.

-More detail about weather conditions and the target in the briefing. Talk about hearing the clicking and clunking of the mechanics doing their job outside the tent.
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Those are the notes I came up with. If there's anything else I should change, let me know. I should have the edited story up by the end of the day, but as I'm getting sick, (I think I'm getting a cold) It may be another day or two before I can get it up.
So, tell me what you think?

[deCore]

-They are in the briefing tent to be briefed for their night's mission. I must make that clear.
No, it's clear enough! As for my question: "I'm reading and seeing crying girls. And I really can't understand what are they doing in the briefing tent?" it was only related to crying girls. To much emotions before combat mission- they should find a better place for crying than briefing tent. If you'll reduce amount of tears (what you're going to do), it will be quite clear, what solders do in the briefing tent. :)

As for other items- all seem to be OK for me. It seems like you making a legend for your compaign, a good background for your story. Only one wish/suggestion: please, do not include ALL details into one briefing, it's better to include one or two details before each mission to provide some lyric background.

[PBNA-Boosher]

The best part about being a writer is that you enjoy putting down tons of words. Not each mission breifing will be as descriptive, but it will be informative. The base for this campaign is that the player will understand the hardships that were undertaken by the women of the 46th GvNBAP during the war, and how they dealt with them. They will also, in turn, learn about the history of the regiment, and partake in a lot of it. This way they will have even greater respect for the women that did it in real life.

I'm feeling better now, so I'll get to work on editing the story now, and post it in a few hours. Thanks for all the constructive criticism. I'll try to lessen the amount of historical details per mission, but sometimes I feel they're necessary in order to give the reader a sense that they are there. Watch for my post in a few hours, it will contain the updated sample briefing!

[PBNA-Boosher]

Okay, here's the edited sample briefing. It is not much better than the last one, and still does not effectively deal with all of the topics I wanted to cover, but I felt, like DeCore said, that it would be putting too much detail into one briefing. I'll write a second sample briefing to use those ideas which I hadn't here, and include some new ones. But for now, here's the edited version with as many changes as I could see fit to put in it. Please, give me your comments!

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Briefing: May the 24th, 1942- Small farm, 27 kilometers north of Novorossijsk..

I opened the flap to the briefing tent. Many of the girls are already there, sitting on the ground for lack of food crates to use as chairs. Major Bershanskaya was there at the head of the tent, as usual. She was a good leader, if not sometimes very strict. The large tent was dusty, but overall very clean. It had a feeling of comfort that came with the multitude of people that gathered there every night. I ran my fingers through my hair, it felt thick and greasy. We all had not bathed in several days. Major Bershanskaya cleared her throat. Many of our girls, who had been gossiping and giggling wildly, immediately fell silent.
"Good, good my darlings, you are all here.” the Major said. I looked around at the women. I noted many of my friends had new uniforms. I was still in my bulky male uniform. I was never good at stitching. Several of the girls also shared my lack of talent, but that didn’t stop them from making their clothes fit. I turned behind me and saw an empty spot on the floor. My stomach growled, not because I was hungry, but with the sadness that I remembered from the night before. It always did that, I have never known why. The girls near me shifted slightly farther away after that. I looked over at Irina. She seemed not to be faring too well after her ordeal the night before.
While the Major was calling the pairs of pilot and navigator for the night, images flashed through my mind. A Po-2 fluttered in the distance, slowly drawing in. I had already completed my flight, and my navigator that night, Alexandra Akimova, who I do not normally fly with, was reporting the mission status. As the slow biplane floated into the light, I heard the engine sputtering, coughing. With a last, trying attempt, the engine brought the propeller around one last time, before it died and the plane fell three meters onto the soft ground. I saw Irina white with shock, and the body she held back to keep it from falling on the flight stick. Irina’s face was covered in the pilot’s blood. I looked at the face of the dead pilot, and immediately turned away. It was Dusya Nosal, with a bullet straight through her temple. Her eyes were wide, and her mouth hung open in shock...
I was brought back to the present, and doubled over to prevent anyone from seeing my crying. I had grown up as a neighbor to Dusya. We were very close, we lived in the same apartment building when we were growing up in Leningrad. We used to run with the boys in the streets, teasing and taunting them. She was the one who persuaded me to join the squadron with her, and now she was dead.
I looked again over at Irina, who too was crying. Major Bershanskaya was talking to the regiment. She had not noticed that Irina and I were crying, or at least made no sign that she did. Now my face glistened with tears in the pale light of the tent, but I had to listen to tonight's briefing.
"We have a chance to avenge our fallen ones tonight.” She stated happily, “There is a small army encampment near Novorossijsk which will be filled with German soldiers. There will be many officers there with their underlings. They will not expect an attack after the show they put up last night, da? Most of their troops will have already gone to sleep. Remember to keep your altitude at six-hundred meters. We don't want any mistakes like last night, do we Sasha?"
The major looked at one of our newer pilots, and my head turned too. Sasha looked down at the ground. She had flown in at three hundred meters and dropped her bombs. Her plane was almost completely engulfed in the flames, but miraculously, she and her navigator Tanya made it through alright. They were caught by groundfire afterward, however, and managed to put the plane down just after passing our front lines.
"Now, girls, the weather is not as clear as it was last night. It will be a bit hazy down by the port tonight, so don't go below our bombing altitude. Also, the clouds are low tonight, so be careful. I recieved word from fighter command today that the skies should be clear of enemy activity tonight. Our Yak fighters have done their job today. Never the less, be careful, ladies. On your maps, the army camp will be in sector H13, alright? During the last recon flight over the area, it seems that the Germans have lit large fires. We think they are burning files that they have captured. But let them burn, da? For then we shall have light to see them by... Oh! And before I forget to tell you, stay out of map sectors K13, K12, H12, and I14 tonight. Our AAA units are on full alert and will fire at anything they see."
Everyone in the room weakly smiled. While we all were ready for our combat duty, every night was a chance we could die. We would take it to heart. The briefing was dismissed, and I went up to the table at the front of the tent to see who my navigator was for the night, because I had been daydreaming during that part of the briefing. I ran my finger down the list to find my name, and looked to the right. It was there in Major Bershanskaya's handwriting. I was flying with Irina tonight. I walked over to her. She was still crying. It was more from shock now than any other reason. I had no way to express my sorrow for Irina. So, as best I could with my bulky mens flight suit on, I hugged her. We cried on each other's shoulders', and waited for our opportunity to take our revenge that night...The Major strolled up behind us. She pried the two of us apart. Irina’s uniform, which she had altered to fit her like most women’s clothing, was still covered in Dusya’s blood from last night. There had been no time to wash anything today. "Irina," Major Bershanskaya walked over to her and knelt down next to her. "You were very brave last night." She walked out of the tent and let us be. We stayed close, my eyes had stopped tearing and Irina laid her head on my shoulder. The hat she had made from the excess fabric of her old uniform fell from her head onto the floor.
“We will have our revenge yet…” Irina said. She grabbed her hat, and we walked out of the tent, heading toward our plane.

[vadson]

Thanks! Okay guys. I've compiled a list of what I'm going to change in the sample briefing. Tell me if it will work or not, and whether you think you'd like this new version better:

What I'll be changing:

-As with most of the "airfields" that the Po-2's of the night witches took off from, they were farmsteads, and large pieces of flat land more often than airfields. (Their training did take place at Engels airfield, though) Therefore, the setting is a farm on a road, which will be used for takeoff like a normal runway. I will set up objects, and it will look good. I promise. The farm, thanks to being on the front lines, will be in disrepair.




The problem is how to force AI to land back on such field? In present AEP engine it is not possible - they can land only to the "official" fields.

I did some experiments in this area - and the answer is clear: AI sometimes can take off from the "not official" field (provided it is flat enough) but CAN NOT land on it.
So the only solution is to put such "not official" field close to the "official" one - then AI will land close to take off point.

[PBNA-Boosher]

I'll try to experiment with some things. I know that with some of the "recon" targets there is a thing that you can check which makes it possible for the Recon planes to land on the ground. I'll ask Oleg, I guess. Maybe he knows a way around this. Thanks for pointing that out though Vadson!

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Also, I have the 2nd sample briefing written up. I don't know if it's strong or not, all I want to know is if I got some of the cultural element in there. I need you guys to tell me what I am missing. The basis of this mission is that you're flying from one small farm to another small farm and that will be your new base, as the Front lines have moved and your squadron is being transferred to a new location. Anyway, here's the sample brief:

Sample Briefing #2: June 3rd. Small Farm- 27 kilometers North of Novorossijsk:

This is the last day we will spend at this farm. Tonight we fly to a new location closer to the front lines. I will never forget this location, though. The airdrome is on the remains of an old farm. We were lucky to have a smooth dirt road to use as a runway, but still, this is one of the better places we have stayed at in quite a few months. There are few animals or crops, and the farmhouse itself is falling apart from years without repair. However, the place has its charm. There is an old riding paddock not too far from the road, and we are far enough behind our lines that one can walk for many kilometers when they have time off.
Another great thing about the farm is the family that inhabits it. They are a small elderly couple. They have much in the ways of help. The husband, who’s name is D’mitri, has been an excellent hand around the airdrome. While he may be in his late seventies, he still can easily handle an axe and chop for a whole day! One night, when Major Bershanskaya approved, we had a giant bonfire and danced. The wife is a great woman. She is also Tamara, like me, and is in her late seventies as well. but she is a great cook! She is always around to talk to, and seems to have a smile on her face most of the day, even with all the tragedy that has happened to her over the years. She lost her brothers during the civil war, and her parents during the Great War in 1917. We affectionately call the elderly couple our “parents” and to them, we are their “daughters.” Last night, at suppertime before our mission, they took us into their old farmhouse and fed us dinner. It was like a party. I had no idea “mother” had so much strength, to cook for two hundred of her hungry “daughters.”
They also have a sadder side to their story. They share their farmhouse with their grandchild. Their son was married to a beautiful woman, they tell us. They lived in Leningrad, where I was from. Their son had gone off to the war, and within three days of his going to the front, he was slaughtered along with his whole division by German tanks. They were very brave. His young boy was sent out here in the Kuban region after his mother died during the German bombings of Leningrad. Now he lives with his grandparents. I have taken a particular liking to the boy, Vasily. He is barely eleven years old, but he runs around the farm with his arms outstretched, as if he was trying to fly, like us. He has come to know us women well. During the mornings, most of us do not get the sleep that is allowed for us, so we sit and tell him stories. He listens well. A few weeks back, Raisa’s mother sent her up a plush toy bear. Raisa had no way she could possibly use it, so she kept it insider her plane when she flew. When we came to the farm, Raisa gave the bear to Vasily. He carries it around all day now. He named the bear Nadia, because that was his mother’s name. Looking around at this farm, this aerodrome, it brings strength to my heart. People I never would have normally known now look at me as their own daughter, sister, or even mother. Such a strong bond cannot be broken by the torrents of war, and we will not let the Germans try to stop it. This strong belief in our people keeps us going into battle. It gives us even more reason to fight…

[deCore]

2 PBNA-Boosher
First briefing looks good. I can perform only semantyc check, ofcourse.
Several notes:
1. Alexandra Akimova and Sasha are two different people? (Sasha is a short form of Alexandra)
2. FYI, "Irina" is a full form. Common short form is "Ira" (also there are heap of various short forms, but I'd not recommend to use them in a foreign language, correct usage of them is quite delicate and depends on a context of usage, but if you need I can tell you all). But it's OK to use both these forms in any context.
3. If the character "was never good at stitching", it should not prevent her to try, it only takes more time. I hope later she'll find the time. Or ask somebody for. The somebody most likely will take a chocolate for it. :)

[PBNA-Boosher]

Yes, Alexandra Akimova and Sasha were two different people. Alexandra Akimova is one of the people of the 46th GvNBAP that is fortunately still with us today. Sasha, however, was a name I drew out of a hat for a random character.

Irina was also a real person. Her name was Irina Kashirina, and she had flown with Dusya Nosal on that fateful flight, and flew the plane back home holding Dusya's body back so it did not collapse against the control stick.

When I do use a historical person's name, however, I will use the name that they were known by. So for example, if I was making a reference to Lidiia Litvyak, or Katerina Budanova, I would be talking about Lilya and Katya, etc...

Oh, and don't worry. Remember that this is only one briefing of many. It will have many sad, but also many happy moments for you to live through. It shall be a very rewarding campaign. I actually plan on the main player (Tamara Borisova is the player's name) learning to sew with the help of some of her friends from the squadron. Don't worry. It will not be the only thing she learns throughout the campaign, and nor will it be the only thing you learn as well.

In the campaign I am trying to include as many historical names and situations as possible in order to keep to the history and keep the player learning, as well as having fun. I'm glad you liked the first briefing! How's the second one?

[deCore]

2 PBNA-Boosher
BTW, trying translate your first briefing into Russian I found out that sturman of Dusya Nosal (Дуся Носаль) in that flight was Glasha Kashirina (Глаша Каширина). If Irina is Irina Sebrova, she was a pilot, not a sturman.

[PBNA-Boosher]

The last name is the same, so I expect it's the same person. Maybe they called her Irina. All I know is that in the book, "A Dance with Death," She's referred to as Irina Kashirina. I think I'll keep her name the same though, since Irina is what they called her. It's just like you guys call me Boosher. My real name might be Mike, but you call me Boosher because that's how you know me. She may have introduced herself as Irina, so that's how the girls knew her.

[deCore]

:) I really doubt. Here (http://www.russiantext.com/russian_library/memo/russian/kravtsova/01.html) I have memoires of a sturman Kravtsova from this squadron. Glasha Kashirina is one of the main characters here.

[PBNA-Boosher]

I dunno....

Here are my sources in "A Dance with Death," which are interviews with the real pilots condensed into a book. Every place she is mentioned by the female pilots, navigators, mechanics, etcl... They mention her as Irina.

Page 33: "But the aircraft behind me, piloted by Dusya Nosal, was caught by the enemy fire. She was killed in her cockpit. Her navigator, Irina Kashirina, in the back cockpit knew how to fly and took over the controls..."

Page 34: "One was Irina Kashirina, who had landed the aircraft with the dead pilot."

Page 75: "They said, 'No, Dusya Nosal was hit in the temple with a bullet, and the navigator landed the plane with her dead in the cockpit.' Soon after, her navigator, Irina Kashirina, also perished in battle."

[deCore]

OK, it seems on you're right. I searched through and in several memoires found Ira Kashirina and only in one- Glasha. I'll try to search further...

[PBNA-Boosher]

K, double check to make sure, but thanks for clearing that up!

[deCore]

I think her full name was Glafira (short-Glasha), but mostly she was called "Ira" (not "Irina"). But, possibly, Natalia Kravtsova in her memories call her Glasha to distinguish from Irina Sebrova (Kravtsova's pilot), since both of them was often refered by name only in her memoires.
But, if so, it's not correct to call Kashirina with "Irina"- it is different name. I found "Irina Kashirina" (not "Ira Kashirina") only in momoires of a "third party" persons. In memoires of people from the same squadron- only "Ira" (in Aronova's and in Ahmetova's momoires) or "Glasha" (in Kravtsova's memoires).

[PBNA-Boosher]

Well, I think it'll be okay if I leave it. I'll find a way to get a Glasha in there soon. Besides, Irina/Glasha is not going to be a major part of the campaign. She's only going to be mentioned in a few briefings, and then it will move onto other details...

[LordLexus]

Concerning speechpack. I want to make its more alive, and emotional, to add exclamations " Oh! ", " Ah! ", " Mumy! ", and some simple shouts. May be some curses? They was on memoirs. Only without f-words, certainly. It would be desirable to know, what the public thinks in this occasion?
By a weekend I shall make in Excel the table with initial phrases and new, I shall lay out for the review here.
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По поводу озвучки. Хочу сделать ее более живой, и эмоцинальной, добавить восклицаний "Ой!", "Ай!", "Мама!", и просто криков. Может ругательств? Все-таки, было такое по воспоминаниям. Только без матов, конечно.
Хотелось бы узнать, что думает по этому поводу общественность? К концу недели сделаю в Екселе табличку с исходными фразами и новыми, выложу для обзора сюда.

[PBNA-Boosher]

LLexus, that's fine. I'm sure you've heard in the US speechpack,"Sh!t, Sh!t, I'm going down!" or "Oh Sh!t, I'm hit" and definitely the German speechpack, "Shaessa!" (means Sh!t) Sorry for my foul language. But yeah, definitely spice it up without using the f-word. Oleg certainly doesn't seem to mind. Just make sure that when you do the recording you listen to the male Russian speechpack, copy down the words in each filename, write the filename down, and then record it for the female speechpack. There can't be any random phrases because they won't be used. You need to stick with the proper number of actors and phrases. But add things in where you can to make it more interesting.

[LordLexus]

Just make sure that when you do the recording you listen to the male Russian speechpack, copy down the words in each filename, write the filename down, and then record it for the female speechpack. There can't be any random phrases because they won't be used. You need to stick with the proper number of actors and phrases. But add things in where you can to make it more interesting.

Yep! I know the technology.

http://www.flugzeugwerk.net/acoop.htm
BTW, here link to some missions with screen-shot of targets, I think it would be cool to make a .doc with briefing text for every single mission with such shots as investigation reports. ;)

[Maximus_G]

2 LordLexus:

все эти охи и ахи действительно стоит сначала на бумаге нарисовать - в смысле, представить, как оно будет звучать, когда будут складываться файлы. Я столкнулся с этим, когда делал спичпак... и главное, сколько охов не делай - всё равно будет звучать шаблонно. Рэндомайза нет...
Также у меня были наработки по фильтру, имитирующему сигнал, доходящий до наушников пилота. Если нужно - могу посмотреть, остались ли.
З.Ы. А чьи голоса планируешь? Не радийных ли ведущих/диджеев случаем? :)

[LordLexus]

2 LordLexus:

все эти охи и ахи действительно стоит сначала на бумаге нарисовать - в смысле, представить, как оно будет звучать, когда будут складываться файлы. Я столкнулся с этим, когда делал спичпак... и главное, сколько охов не делай - всё равно будет звучать шаблонно. Рэндомайза нет...
Пнятно, но все-равно хочется чтоб был более живой саунд, не такой протокольный :cool:


Также у меня были наработки по фильтру, имитирующему сигнал, доходящий до наушников пилота. Если нужно - могу посмотреть, остались ли.

Давай, если найдешь, шли инфу на lordlexus@mail.ru


З.Ы. А чьи голоса планируешь? Не радийных ли ведущих/диджеев случаем? :)
Планирую первым голосом свою подругу, и второй голос, у нас на работе есть одна девчина, с таким суперовым голосом, похож на голос Якуш, но более мелодичный, когда она говорит, я просто не так дышать начинаю
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Писать буду на частной студии, там оборудование с "Европы Плюс" досталось, когда ее Толстошеин перекупил...

[PBNA-Boosher]

Yep! I know the technology.

http://www.flugzeugwerk.net/acoop.htm
BTW, here link to some missions with screen-shot of targets, I think it would be cool to make a .doc with briefing text for every single mission with such shots as investigation reports. ;)

It's too bad you can't include pictures in briefings in IL2, still, I'll try to do what I can. Maybe I'll compile all of the briefings I write into a small .pdf file for you guys to read.

[PBNA-Boosher]

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[vadson]

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Don't expect to see a lot of activity on our forum on weekends - many of us prefer to use Internet from work - at employer' expense ;)

[PBNA-Boosher]

Well no, I didn't expect it. It's just that the thread fell onto the second page...

[GELLA]

http://www.uic.edu/depts/wsweb/images/fly%20girls.jpg

[PBNA-Boosher]

I cannot personally identify those women, but I know they are Americans of the WASP program. (Women's Air Services Program) They towed targets for AAA gunners in training, and ferried airplanes all over the US during the war, as well as tested many new prototypes. Anne Noggle, the woman who wrote, "A Dance with Death" about the Soviet Female combat pilots, was herself a WASP pilot during WW2.