Hey guys, I'm building a campaign right now, but need some help with speechpacks....

[PBNA-Boosher]

If Naryv finishes the Po-2 cockpit, i'm planning this campaign. I hope it interests you guys. However, my problem is that if there is no female Russian speechpack, it may seem a bit odd. Do you guys think you might be able to help out. It would work basically like the Polish RAF squadrons do. When the 586 IAP, 587 BAP, or 588 NBAP (also 125 GvBAP and 46 GvNBAP) are selected, the voices will be female. But for any other Russian squadron, the voices will be male.


here is the basic background for the campaign's main pilot: YOU!

The year is 1941. Your name is Tamara Borisova. You and 200 other female pilots from across the country of the USSR have banded together at Engels (north of Stalingrad) to form the 588th NBAP (588th Night Bomber Squadron) Everything about this squadron is female. The pilots, the navigators, the office staff, and even the mechanics, are all female. Even though you were a skilled flight instructor with more than 2500 hours at the time you signed up to join the regiment, you have been selected to work on the office staff. But this does not mean that you will not fly comabat. You will be trained hard, like all the other women pilots, and if you keep your wits about you, you can possibly survive the war until May 2nd, 1945, when the now decorated 46th Taman Guards Night Bomber Regiment was disbanded.

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I hope this interests you guys. However, I'm going to ask you a few questions. It will be a long, 150-200 mission campaign. It will take you from the start of training at Engels, to the final moment when the squadron was disbanded on May 2nd, 1945. You will be flying a number of different types of missions. Recon, harrasssment bombing, front line evac, troop morale, etc... In your exploits you will meet many different people who think that women should not fly, and you will have to prove them wrong. You will have to evade groundfire, spotlights, and fighters in a plane that is made of wood and fabric, and travels slower than some cars. The majority of your missions will be at night, with nothing to guide you except your map, and a good sense of direction.

Now that you know this, I'll give you the lowdown on what I have organized so far.

I have planned the first 12 missions of the campaign, which are your training missions. It uses the Stalingrad map, and you will be flying in the square between sectors N16, R16, R12, and N12. Four of these 12 training missions will be daylight missions, to get you used to the airplane. the other eight will be night missions for practice.

However, this all depends on whether the Po-2 makes it in the game as flyable, which at the moment it looks like it will. I will also be doing a short series of Online coops around this subject so that you can try it with human players. I assure you it will be very hard, but very rewarding.

Please, post some ideas if you have any here, and I'll try to implement them as best I can. I'd also love to hear feedback from you guys. Hopefully I can get the cooperation of Extreme_One for some help when I need it. Overall, I think it will be one hell of a fun project, and in the end, you will come out with an even greater respect for these women who risked everything for the defense of their motherland.
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Here is the log for the 12 training missions of my campaign, in an outlined order. I will shortly be putting up a map of what the training area will look like, then you shall fully see what I mean.
Small tidbit of info: (When it says no-fly zone, it means that there are AAA units training in that area, and they will fire upon you if you enter their sectors.)
Now, this practice may seem boring, BUT, when the campaign is finally ready, I would advise you to use them, because night flying, especially in FB, is very hard. You will have 4 Day missions, and 8 night missions with which to train in. use them well.

Mission Overview: Part 1- Training at Engels

Mission 1aytime- 13:52 hrs- attack targets at sector N12. (learning about bombing accuracy)

Mission 2: Daytime- 08:27 hrs- Navigation skills training. Travel to sector P16, attack targets, then land back at airfield.

Mission 3: Nighttime- 02:27 hrs- Same as mission #1, with the added challenge of night flying.

Mission 4: Nighttime- 00:13 hrs- Same as mission #2, but with the challenge of flying at night.

Mission 5: Daytime- 11:06 hrs- practice recon, sector Q12. (Beware of no-fly zone in R12)

Mission 6: Nighttime- 23:52 hrs- Night recon practice, sector R13. (Beware of no-fly zone in R12, do not harm friendly infantry encampment, sector R13)

Mission 7: Nighttime- 21:42 hrs- low-alt. navigation by waypoints and landmarks. (Beware no-fly zones in O15, R15, R12)

Mission 8: Nighttime- 02:16 hrs- low alt. Night recon practice, sector P14.

Mission 9: Daytime- 09:47 hrs- Attack small docks in sector N16. (Beware no-fly zone in sector O15)

Mission 10: Nighttime- 03:54 hrs- Same as mission #9, but with the added challenge of night flying in poor weather.

Mission 11: Nighttime- 22:12 hrs- Bad weather flight and navigation. Thunderstorms, high winds. (beware of no-fly zones in sectors R12, R15, and O15)

Mission 12:Hooray! Your check ride!Horrible thunderstorms and heavy winds. Navigate in the darkness, attack targets in sector P16. (Watch for no-fly zones in sectors R15, R12, and O15)

here's the map for Part 1: Training at Engels

http://www.photodump.com/direct/Boos..._at_engels.jpg
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[Radik]

А перевести, или саму суть коротко?

[Maximus_G]

Just tried to make my girlfriend scream... oh no, sounds pity... the present generation is too delicate...

Gotta find a bigger woman

[Bren]

Дык эта...По-2 летабельного еще нет...и вроде бы не обещали.
А кампания-вот она,на подходе.

[Satori]

А перевести, или саму суть коротко?

Парень написал сценарий оффлайн компании для легкого бомбардировщика По-2, если доделают кокпит для него, как посулил Naryv, и включат в патч, если патчи еще будут.
Но у него проблемы с озвучкой. Нет русского женского голоса для пилотов.
По сценарию, некая Тамара Борисова начинает путь в 588-м полку ночных бомбардировщиков. Компания из 150-200 миссий. Первые 12 - обучение, дальше она начинает делать немцам много больших и маленьких гадостей.
Это если кратко.

[Serp]

Парень написал сценарий оффлайн компании для легкого бомбардировщика По-2, если доделают кокпит для него, как посулил Naryv, и включат в патч, если патчи еще будут.
Но у него проблемы с озвучкой. Нет русского женского голоса для пилотов.
По сценарию, некая Тамара Борисова начинает путь в 588-м полку ночных бомбардировщиков. Компания из 150-200 миссий. Первые 12 - обучение, дальше она начинает делать немцам много больших и маленьких гадостей.
Это если кратко.

То есть он просто ищет женщину?..
Знаю я одну... Тамару Борисовну...

[Maximus_G]

Дык попробуйте поизвращаться с ней и микрофоном

[vadson]

I think it would be quite difficult for a player to stare 200 hours at the dark screen...
Night missions in AEP are not playable... IMHO
So afer this campaign one should go directly to the ophthalmologist, and spend misarable rest of his life half-blind.

[Satori]

Он не только ищет озвучку, но просит идей для реализации миссий.
Полеты-то ночью. А требуется бомбить колонны, здания и прочее, причем так, чтобы было интересно. Требуется мастерство полетов в темноте и ориентировке. Для фанатов, короче.

[PBNA-Boosher]

I wish I could translate it into Russian for you guys. I'd be learning it but I have no spare time, and my school doesn't offer it as a course. Anyway, if you have any questions about the campaign, etc... Just ask them here, I'll be able to answer them for you. It is still a work in progress, and I haven't even started on the mission building yet. As said above, it will be very challenging, but also incredibly rewarding.

I am also not making the missions up from scratch. I am using as much historical data as I can. I'm using Anne Noggle's book, "A Dance With Death," which is about the 3 female squadrons of the VVS, for historical information. The front lines will move historically, AND, I will be modeling partisan hideouts in the front line scenarios, so if your plane is too damaged to make it back to the front lines, you can land inside the partisan territory and you can get back to base for the next mission instead of being captured. I've thought this out very thoroughly and it should be very immersive. Again, if you have any questions, ask them here.

[vadson]

By the way, so far I have not seen any good quality campaign for VVS made by foreigners (means those born and grown outside Russia).
The campaignes I have seen lack good historical accuracy and understanding of communist/soviet mentality.
The same would be true if I would made USAAF or RAF campaign. Nothing precious could be created.
I hope your compaign will be quiet differente, but I think you better start from small misson pack (5-10) and show it here. We can then check for mistakes.

[PBNA-Boosher]

I think it would be quite difficult for a player to stare 200 hours at the dark screen...
Night missions in AEP are not playable... IMHO
So afer this campaign one should go directly to the ophthalmologist, and spend misarable rest of his life half-blind.

Oh, they're playable alright. I have tried, and it is very tough, but it can be done. Also, not all of the missions will be night missions, though many of them will be. Since the Po-2 could take off pretty much anywhere, the bases were all very close to the front lines. This meant that they were constantly on the move so that they wouldn't be overrun by the Germans, or so they could keep up with the front lines. Of the 150-200 missions, I'd say that about 45 of them, not including the 4 daylight training missions, will be day missions. Most of them will be either recon, squadr. relocation, or emergency evacuation because the base is about to be overrun or bombed. You'll have fun.

[PBNA-Boosher]

By the way, so far I have not seen any good quality campaign for VVS made by foreigners. I hope your compaign will be quiet differente, but I think you better start from small misson pack (5-10) and show it here. We can then check for mistakes.

I would be honored if you guys would review my missions. Since I am American, I am out of touch with Russian culture and state of mind. I would absolutely love it if you guys helped me out with that. Of course, remember that it all depends on whether Naryv is able to get the Po-2 in game, which, at the moment, looks like a very big possibility.

I do not have any made yet, but I will do some test missions when I get home, which is in about 3 weeks. I will be leaving for a small vacation to visit my cousins in california for 2 weeks, but then I'll be back in full force working on this campaign, and my movie based on Lidiia (Lilya) Litvyak. I love the history of these women and their life stories. Knowing that it is possible to survive throught that kind of hell, and still be the loving, caring people that they now are, I always have had great respect for your people, and still do.

[vadson]

I wish you not to loose your enthusiasm.
Personaly I have made several compaigns for VVS, some were commercialy published, while others were just a dissapointment.
In April I started my next ("another perfect") compaign, but suddenly realised that I cant go on anymore, so I stopped working on it.
From my experience I woul suggest you, if you a beginner in "compaign creation", make a humble begining, and then see the community response.

[PBNA-Boosher]

I was one of the lucky ones that was born with a good campaign creating mind. In fact, the first mission I made, called, "The Governor's Daughter," was kind of funny, but at the same time, a bit challenging. 3 Russian P-39's and 2 American P-40's are to escort an Li-2 carrying the governor of New York's daughter to an airfield near Kursk. She is there to provide morale for two weeks, then she is going home. You have to make sure she gets there alive.

I've been working with the FMB for quite a long time, and am pretty used to it. I know a lot of tips for immersion, in fact, I have them listed in this thread at UBI, maybe they can help you in some of your missions?

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/6/ubb.x?a=...33&m=439109375

Anyway. For the quality of the missions you don't have to worry, it will be high, and historical accuracy should be at least 90% there.

[VASILICH]

блин и сюда демоны импортные просочились.

[Maximus_G]

BTW, i don't see any records about U-2 (Po-2) having any kind of radio equipment. If it is really so, then it would be historically correct to make a speechpack ONLY for the rear gunner.
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Не вижу никаких упоминаний о том, что на У-2 были радиостанции. Если это так, то исторически правильным было бы ограничить озвучку только задним стрелком.

[PBNA-Boosher]

Well, it didn't. But then again, many Russian pilots ripped radios out of their own aircraft because some of the sets were barely useable. For example, the radio that equipped the I-16 was horrible, but in FB we still have it. In, "A Dance with Death," none of the pilots from the 46th that were interviewed talk about a radio, and I assume they didn't have one either, however, from the way that they talk about talking between the pilot and the navigator/rear gunner, it seems that they did have some sort of crew intercom. Still, the speechpack would be valuable for placing the 586 IAP and 125 GvBAP squadrons in the game. Besides, if this campaign goes over well, I may do separate campaigns for the 586th and the 125th. We'll just have to see.

[vadson]

Приятно, что вот ведь из америки, а восхищается смелостью русских летчиц и собрался за них делать кампанию.

[PBNA-Boosher]

Why don't I write a sample briefing for you guys, so you can see how close I am to the mentality of a female Russian soldier in the Great Patriotic War.

Briefing: May the 24th, 1942- Small farm, 27 kilometers north of Novorossijsk..

I opened the flap to the briefing tent. Many of the girls are already there, sitting on the ground for lack of food crates to use as chairs. Major Bershanskaya was there at the head of the tent, as usual. She had always been kind to all us. And now especially. It was dusty, but clean. Much cleaner than my dugout. It did not smell in here, though none of us had bathed in many days and nights. Major Bershanskaya spoke up. Several of the girls were hugging and crying. We had suffered a trying loss the night before...
"Good, good my darlings, you are all here. I feared you would be too upset," the Major said. My stomach growled, not because I was hungry, but with the sadness that I remembered from the night before. It always did that, I have never known why. Several of the girls near me, including my friend Nadia looked at me. Her cheeks shined in the dim light of the briefing tent. She had been crying. I looked over at Irina, she was the most shaken of us all...
"Irina," Major Bershanskaya walked over to her and knelt down next to her. "You were very brave last night."
Images flashed through my mind. A Po-2 fluttered in the distance, slowly drawing in. I had already completed my flight, and my navigator that night, Alexandra Akimova, who I do not normally fly with, was reporting the mission status. As the slow biplane floated into the light, I heard the engine sputtering, coughing. With a last, trying attempt, the engine brought the propeller around one last time, before it died and the plane fell three meters onto the soft ground. I saw Irina white with shock, and the body she held back to keep it from falling on the flight stick. It was Dusya Nosal, with a bullet straight through her temple. Her eyes were wide, and her mouth hung open in shock...
I was brought back to the present, and doubled over crying. I had not known Dusya well, but how could it be that someone should die that way? I looked again over at Irina, who too was crying. Major Bershanskaya was talking to the regiment. Now my face glistened with tears in the pale light of the tent, but I had to listen to tonight's briefing.
"Nyet, my children, do not cry." she said calmly to us. "We have a chance to avenge our Dusya tonight. There is a small army encampment near Novorossijsk which will be filled with German soldiers. There will be many officers there with their underlings. They will not expect an attack after the show they put up last night, da? Most of their troops will have already gone to sleep. Remember to keep your altitude at six-hundred meters. We don't want any mistakes like last night, do we Sasha?"
The major looked at one of our newer pilots, and my head turned too. Sasha looked down at the ground. She had flown in at three hundred meters and dropped her bombs. Her plane was almost completely engulfed in the flames, but miraculously, she and her navigator Tanya made it through alright. They were caught by groundfire afterward, however, and managed to put the plane down just after passing our front lines.
"Now, girls, the weather is not as clear as it was last night. It will be a bit hazy down by the port tonight, so don't go below our bombing altitude. Also, the clouds are low tonight, so be careful. I recieved word from fighter command today that the skies should be clear of enemy activity tonight. Our Yak fighters have done their job today. Never the less, be careful, ladies. On your maps, the army camp will be in sector H13, alright? During the last recon flight over the area, it seems that the Germans have lit large fires. We think they are burning files that they have captured. But let them burn, da? For then we shall have light to see them by... Oh! And before I forget to tell you, stay out of map sectors K13, K12, H12, and I14 tonight. Our AAA units are on full alert and will fire at anything they see."
Everyone in the room weakly smiled. We had a chance for our revenge. We would take it to heart. The briefing was dismissed, and I went up to the table at the front of the tent to see who my navigator was for the night. I ran my finger down the list to find my name, and looked to the right. It was there in Major Bershanskaya's handwriting. I was flying with Irina tonight. I walked over to her. She was still crying. The girls left the tent one by one, and went to get their planes ready for tonight's flight. I had no way to express my sorrow for Irina. So, as best I could with my bulky mens' flight suit on, I hugged her. We cried on each other's shoulders', and waited for our opportunity to take our revenge that night...
(written by PBNA-Boosher)
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Objectives:
-Harass the german encampment in map sector H13. With luck you may hit the officers barracks.

-Our AAA units are on full alert tonight, and any plane that flies through their sectors (K13, K12, H12, I14) will be fired upon.

-Watch our lines well. If your plane is damaged, try to land either behind our front lines, or in Partisan territory. The Partisans will see you back safely, as they always do.

[Das_Reich]

2Boosher
Sorry, got as far as the "the night before".
Have you seen the "I, Robot" movie? A-a-acho-o-o-o!!! I'm sorry, I'm alergic to bull$hit.
No offence, but that is exactly what it is.
Few points to take into consideration:
The bathing part. There has been no women uniform. Yet they took what they had and redone it to fit and still look beautiful. That wasn't an African desert - lots of water everywhere.
Can write forever... Yet that is not the point. The point is - they were Soldiers. Just as 14 y.o. kids that had firearms in their hands. They fought not because they were made to. They FOUGHT to get to the front to FIGHT. THAT is the major point.
I regret the fact that there is a major shortage of the books on the topic in English. I wish I had time to translate some...
Where are you in the US? I live in the Chicagoland area, might be we could talk that over, either in person, or by phone, or e-mail, or whatever - not the AOL messenger though

[PBNA-Boosher]

I suggest you pick up the book, "A Dance With Death," Das Reich. Many of the girls clearly state that they wore male uniforms. Yes, they do say that they refit them, but the flight jackets and flight suits were things that were hard to alter. Many women of the 46th still were wearing their male uniforms by 1944. Remember that this briefing is written for the beginning of their campaigns in 1942. The flight suits issued at that time were all male, there was no such thing as a female flight suit.

Take a look at this photograph: http://pratt.edu/~rsilva/images/witches.jpg (the image is a bit stretched)

About the bathing. yes, there was water everywhere, but you didn't just wander off of the base to take a bath or a shower. At this point in the campaign, they were not stationed very near any water facilities. Some of the mechanics who tell their stories in "A Dance With Death" tell of how they would use the water from puddles on the airfields to bathe. However, this was not very often. And during front line conditions, it was not a major concern.

Yes, I do agree with you, they were soldiers, and they did fight at the front. But they had their own style. All I can do is try to mimic it as best I could. The reason why I decided to use that specific day is because when glancing through "A Dance with Death," I saw the name Dusya Nosal appear and read about what happened. I then organized a mission briefing around the historical facts, and tried to keep it as historical as possible. While they don't give the exact date of its happening. Dusya Nosal was shot in the temple during a mission in May-June over Novorossijsk. Her navigator, Irina Kashirina pulled Dusya's body off of the flightstick and flew the damaged plane home. Irina perished in combat a few weeks later. Also, Dusya Nosal was one of the first casualties that the 46th dealt with. She was also a very highly decorated soldier, and was pretty much well liked and respected by everyone. Therefore, they had to deal with the shock of combat and combat losses. These are not men, these are women, and women deal with things differently than men do. Just because you cry does not mean you are weak. Also, remember that this is a sample briefing, not the briefing for every flight. So it will be different for each mission, but in this same 1st person point of view, using the same character.

So, if you really are allergic to BS, I suggest you look at your post again. You may find you'll catch pneumonia.

[Das_Reich]

Useless, totally
Wait for a few more posts and "By the way, so far I have not seen any good quality campaign for VVS made by foreigners (means those born and grown outside Russia)."(c)Vadson (BTW - He IS good)

Come to Moscow one day, I'll arrange a meeting with my grandmother - Serebriakova Marija Fedorovna - decorated sergeant of the Moscow PVO (see those barrage balloons? That's hers ). She'll tell you a couple of thing about defending YOUR city, about running away from hospital to get to where you are needed, regardless of the fact that your arm has been cut open the night before. You will never understand that point of view, just as you will never understand our mentality, our culture, or our way of life. I am sure that the virtual pilots on this side of the Atlantic Ocean will adore your work
As for the flight suits - do you think that those on the pic are inappropriate for flying open cockpit in the middle of a winter? BTW, the surviving female pilots are the members of the Women In Aviation http://www.wai.org/ - some of them were present on this year's annual conference, hopefully they will also attend the next one. Go talk to them, that is way better than reading a book. Oh, and yeah, Americans know Drama, just as HBO does

[PBNA-Boosher]

Whoa, hang on. I just realized what I started. Flame Wars... I've had enough of those on the UBI forums... No need for them here.

Let's start this over again. Hi, I'm PBNA-Boosher. What should I change in that briefing to make it seem more... hmm.. Patriotic (in terms of Russia in the '40's.)

Thank you for the link to Women in Aviation. I'll definitely see what I can do there. As for me traveling to Moscow, as much as I'd love to. I can't. I'm 17 years old. (Although many people say my mind is older.)
I do know that I will never understand what it is like when a foreigner invades my homeland. And for good reason too. Nobody has invaded the USA in about 100 years, save a few terrorists with pilots licenses. I know I will never be able to recreate the anger, the sorrow, and the passion for your country as well as someone who has experienced it. But I still try, because its something I want to feel as well.

I do admit, even though you did say, "no offense," I took in plenty. But that was because this was some writing of mine that took me about an hour to write in total. It is not perfect, it is still a work in progress. And I do admit the reason I posted it here was so that I could try to emulate the patriotism of the Russians as well as possible with you guys' help. I just wish you didn't put it so harshly. It's like if you saw a brand new mother and her baby, and you told her that the baby was "The ugliest thing you'd ever seen." how would the mother react?

Anyway, please, let's keep the criticism as positive as possible, and let's improve my sample briefing to the point where it is no longer pseudo-Russian, but Russian in spirit.

Possibly you and I, and a few others can work on this campaign together to make it the best it possibly could be. I knew I would never complete this on my own, and I knew it would be a sh!tty campaign if I didn't get some help from the Russians themselves, particularly on that speechpack.

So I hope the flame war has ended, and let's get to work!

[crazyivan]

Das Reich. Are you ok man? What`s up with the hostility? Wake up brother, cold war is over. All Boosher wanted is some help, feedback and suggestions.... Shame on you